<trackbot> Date: 17 November 2011

<scribe> Scribe: David

<MichaelC> scribe: David

<shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/conformance/ED-methodology-20111115.html

<adam> this is adam

<shadi> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20111117misc/results

<Detlev> yes

discussion of the Evaluation Methodology task force preliminary draft... the group felt that it needed more more work before releasing for public comment.

<Detlev> had a computer crash - can you link my line back to Zakim?

<Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to talk about conformance in a Note-track document and to talk about difficulty of evaluating success and failures wrt techniques

<Detlev> still seems to recognise me...

<Detlev> no

The role of failure techniques in the WCAG Techniques document

<Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to talk about technology-specific faiures

<Detlev> ok

<Loretta> http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20101014/G178

<kerstin> http://www.flickr.com/photos/kprobiesch/6354964973/in/photostream

<kerstin> http://www.flickr.com/photos/kprobiesch/6354964879/in/photostream

<Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say we documented failures that cause page to fail even when sufficient techniques used; not applying any sufficient technique is also a failure but we

<Zakim> David, you wanted to ask doesn't F69 applies to 1.4.8-bullet 5 (shouldn't it be listed as such?) so wouldn't be dropped from our roster

<Zakim> jamesn, you wanted to say that zoom CAN meet 1.4.8 depending on the page itself

<Detlev> good point

<Detlev> ok

<kerstin> no specific questions

Issue LC-2513: Conflict between alternative options 1-4 and F69

<Detlev> tricky!

<kerstin> sorry, problems at skype I just understand every second or third word

<Loretta> Note: The Working Group has discovered many misunderstandings about how to test this failure. We are planning to review this failure in a future update. Until then, if you test this failure, be sure to test against at least all of the sufficient techniques listed for this success criterion and ensure that hte content fails for all of them.

<Detlev> fine.

<Detlev> no worries happy to discuss this

<Detlev> agree

<Detlev> fine

<kerstin> don't why I am still on the queue

<kerstin> -kerstin

<shadi> good night y'all

<Loretta> That's what I get for poiking buttons that I don't unerstand!

<MichaelC> trackbot, end meeting

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