If anyone wants to dial into conf call speak up...

I suspect we'll just be on IRC like normal...

Agenda Item #1 Check for bugs on Approved Tests

bug 14191?

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=14191

This was opened by ms2ger...

<Ms2ger> Philip is finishing his PhD, and won't have time to look at it in the next few weeks

<jgraham> Philip is finishing his PhD so he is busy for a few weeks

<jgraham> Dammit

<jgraham> At least we have a consistent story

I'm open to having someone convert the tests

<Ms2ger> I can do that, but I don't want to do it without Philip's okay

<jgraham> There isn't any problem with waiting a bit

I don't think it makes sense to remove them from the approved folder

Though we should set a date when we think it's reasonable to convert the tests

<jgraham> If Philip's PhD funding is the way I expect, he probably has to finish very soon, so I don't think this will drap on

<jgraham> *drag

<jgraham> Or at least he will need a different excuse for being busy

Ok then lets plan on having these get converted at some point

We also need to move the getElementsByClassname tests to the Dom core WebApps suite

I see that jgraham is OK with this looking at the list

http://w3c-test.org/webapps/DOMCore/tests/submissions would be the location

Did you still want to do this ms2ger?

<Ms2ger> Doing that right now, actually

You should create an Opera folder since they created the tests

Let move on to agenda item #2

"Appcache test format - testing without a network"

http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#offline

Some testing of the feature is going to need a different approach than just using testharness.js

The api and events should be fine - but actually checking if the files come from the server vs the 'cache' is a bit more complex

It's possible to create a self-describing test...

Though I wanted to see if you were intrested in these tests and/or had another option

Does anyone have any objections or suggestions?

<Ms2ger> Don't know anything about it myself

Microsoft submitted one test for this feature http://w3c-test.org/html/tests/submission/Microsoft/appcache/appcache_000.htm

Though it's very simple...but it's a start

Firefox seems to support window.applicationCache FWIW

<Ms2ger> I assume we have tests

Moving on to Agenda item #3 New Test Submissions

Microsoft submitted some history api tests

http://w3c-test.org/html/tests/submission/Microsoft/history/history_000.htm

Though we don't pass them all we believe some of the tests we fail are correct per the spec and want to fix them in Internet Explorer 10

If you think the tests are wrong feel free to make a comment on the list

Seems like we can get this feature to be pretty interoperable given it's support in various browsers at this point

<jgraham> They look plausible in that Opera passes them all apart from two fails unrelated to the history API ;)

<jgraham> I am still looking for review of the Opera-submitted history API tests

<jgraham> They also reveal a problem with some changes Aryeh made to testharness.js

<Ms2ger> jgraham, so if you review Microsoft's, maybe krisk can get someone to review yours? :)

<jgraham> Ms2ger: Indeed, that could work :)

I'll take a peek

<jgraham> (they are not mine personally, I hasten to add)

Microsoft also submitted a 'dat' file for the parser

<jgraham> I would like to take this oppertunity to whine at the continued non-existence of a review tool for hg

<jgraham> krisk: Pointer?

<jgraham> krisk: That should really be added to the html5lib repository under the MIT license

<jgraham> krisk: If that works for you, I can help you get write access to that repo

<Ms2ger> Peter Linss' tool is in production, I believe

<Ms2ger> We should get it set up for HTML

Do you have a pointer to the tool?

<jgraham> Is his tool at all sutiable for HTML?

<Ms2ger> http://test.csswg.org/shepherd/

<Ms2ger> No idea

<jgraham> I got the impression it was designed with an entirely differnet set of use cases in mind

<jgraham> Principally allowing third parties to collect test results to produce implementation reports

<jgraham> With a bunch of extra test metadata stuff

<jgraham> I didn't get the impression it was going to be a kickass code-review tool

<jgraham> Which is what I really want

<jgraham> Or at least a mediocre one

<jgraham> So it falls below the level of useful so far

<jgraham> For code review at least

If someone moves this to the w3c I can take a peek

scribe: seems like a good question for plh

<@jgraham> krisk: If that works for you, I can help you get write access to that repo

I don't think anyone from Microsoft will be submitting stuff to a non w3c Hg server

<jgraham> Are you prepared to submit it under the MIT license so that other people can copy it across to the other server?

<jgraham> It would be a great pity if there was fragmentation in the parser testsuite

I believe the w3c test suite license allows for that (it's the MIT/BSD license)

It's part of the royalty free part of the w3c

<jgraham> I thought it was BSD/W3C license

I'm not a lawyer but happy to ask the w3c for clarity

<jgraham> The wiki says "The test suite is licensed under both the W3C Test Suite License and the 3-clause BSD License."

<jgraham> That might be wrong ofc

<jgraham> Anyway, please ask w3c staff

sounds good

Also if you follow the webapps WG Microsoft also submitted some tests for workers, indexed db and web sockets

<jgraham> Yes, I saw that. Thanks!

If you have feedback on the tests being correct feel free to send it to the web-apps list

Also Microsoft would like to facilitate getting a backend setup on the w3c for testing websockets

I plan on attending TPAC so this might be a good agenda items for the webapps WG

Anne (from opera) was also asking for XHR2 tests since it looks like he is the only one submitting tests

<jgraham> I should be at TPAC too; I can organise to be in the WebApps meeting

Shall we adjourn?

<Ms2ger> Sure

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