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<trackbot> Date: 09 June 2011
<shepazu> http://www.w3.org/News/2011#entry-9122
<heycam> ScribeNick: cabanier
<heycam> CM: let's get started
DS: did you catch the out of date reference?
CL: I did not. didn't think it
was prudent to change
... can you still change?
DS: yes you can
<ChrisL> can change in response to ac review comments
<heycam> CM: I saw philippe mentioned our CSS2.0 reference, did you explain that to him?
<heycam> CL: yes
CM: there are 4 weeks to comment and then will become recommended
there weren't too many people commenting. There is a culture where if people don't comment, they imply yes
don't panic if there are no comments but it would be better if people do
(that was doug schepers)
CM: form is supposed to be done
at the end of the mont
... send a reminder to get topics for the venue
... one of the agenda items is the FX topics but we will wait
until Vincent calls in
<heycam> http://www.w3.org/mid/4DDA7888.6030707@w3.org
<shepazu> public-test-infra@w3.org
DS: in the testing taskforce
there is a consensus to use the stuff that Peter Linss has done
for CSS
... he wrote a framework to aggregate the tests
the framework allows to run a subset of the tests. when running test you can run all tests or just a couple
DS: I want him to come talk to us because we feel strongly to have unified testing
CM: should one of us call in?
DS: I'll follow up with him
... he responded off-list that he wanted more
information
<scribe> ACTION: shepazu to follow up with Peter Linss about testing [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/09-svg-minutes.html#action01]
ds: we have to wait for Vincent to be here
CM: I made a recent proposal for
positioning
... I didn't read Rik's email reply yet
<heycam> RC: it seems that svg is trying to do two things at once
<heycam> ... it's doing layout for you, but also wants to provide you with the ability to position glyphs yourself
<heycam> ... it's a little bit the same thing with ligatures
<heycam> ... it'll create ligatures for you, but then also wants to give you the ability with positioning not to create ligatures
<heycam> ... so it seems a bit messy
<heycam> ... I propose that maybe we should have a new type of text, more like pdf, specifying individual glyphs taht you want to use
<heycam> ... so you can choose the ligatures
<heycam> ... and you always specify glyph positions
<heycam> ... and the existing <text> will be automatically laid out text
<ChrisL> sounds like a glyphlist rather than text - so would need an 'alt' for accessibility
<heycam> ... and it can create ligatures on the fly for you
<heycam> ... so people who want a simple interface can still have that, but people like us, who want more control over glyph selection and positioning can have that as well
<heycam> CM: we may need to have glyph indexing
<ChrisL> the interaction between altglyph and opentype layout tables is underspecified
<heycam> CM: but we do have <altGlyph> and <glyphDef>
DS: do we have properties to control if ligatures are formed?
<ChrisL> CSS3 has a way to disable discretionary ligatures
CM: true
... but, I don't think that turns of mandatory ones
DS: ok
CM: I'm not completely well versed in the area.
DS: seems like a pain
CL: I understand that the idea behind the 2 modes
CM: do we want 'abc' or indexes into the font file
CL: not sure
RC: going the PDF way might be very difficult
CM: not if just using glyph ids
RC: true
CM: SVG is not ideal for absolute
position but there is a need for positioning on character based
input.
... Rik do you have an opinion
RC: I was looking at it from absolute positioning
CM: we need to keep allowing
positioning in the current SVG text
... and make it as accessible as possible
CL: one of the reasons that was added was for adding more complicated text on a path
RC: and every glyph could have its own matrix
CM: yes by specifiying a
rotation
... maybe we should present this at the face-to-face
... I need to implement it anyway and I will start off with my
proposal
... I will give more detail at the F2F
... for the use case of absolute positioning, we should try to
support better and someone should start on a proposal
... rik, do you want to take this on?
RC: I will discuss with Vincent but Adobe's interested.
CM: using glyph indices is probably a good way
RC: using glyph indices requires you have the font
CM: I think that is
reasonable.
... that the font is always there when you do absolute
positioning
DS: want to discuss the CSS and SVG charters
CM: should we wait for vincent
DS: we'll talk about it via email
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