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SVG Working Group Teleconference

09 Jun 2011

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Regrets
Chair
Cameron
Scribe
cabanier

Contents


<trackbot> Date: 09 June 2011

<shepazu> http://www.w3.org/News/2011#entry-9122

<heycam> ScribeNick: cabanier

<heycam> CM: let's get started

SVG 1.1 Second Edition

DS: did you catch the out of date reference?

CL: I did not. didn't think it was prudent to change
... can you still change?

DS: yes you can

<ChrisL> can change in response to ac review comments

<heycam> CM: I saw philippe mentioned our CSS2.0 reference, did you explain that to him?

<heycam> CL: yes

CM: there are 4 weeks to comment and then will become recommended

there weren't too many people commenting. There is a culture where if people don't comment, they imply yes

don't panic if there are no comments but it would be better if people do

(that was doug schepers)

Seattle F2F form

CM: form is supposed to be done at the end of the mont
... send a reminder to get topics for the venue
... one of the agenda items is the FX topics but we will wait until Vincent calls in

CSS WG testing

<heycam> http://www.w3.org/mid/4DDA7888.6030707@w3.org

<shepazu> public-test-infra@w3.org

DS: in the testing taskforce there is a consensus to use the stuff that Peter Linss has done for CSS
... he wrote a framework to aggregate the tests

the framework allows to run a subset of the tests. when running test you can run all tests or just a couple

DS: I want him to come talk to us because we feel strongly to have unified testing

CM: should one of us call in?

DS: I'll follow up with him
... he responded off-list that he wanted more information

<scribe> ACTION: shepazu to follow up with Peter Linss about testing [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/09-svg-minutes.html#action01]

Text layout

ds: we have to wait for Vincent to be here

CM: I made a recent proposal for positioning
... I didn't read Rik's email reply yet

<heycam> RC: it seems that svg is trying to do two things at once

<heycam> ... it's doing layout for you, but also wants to provide you with the ability to position glyphs yourself

<heycam> ... it's a little bit the same thing with ligatures

<heycam> ... it'll create ligatures for you, but then also wants to give you the ability with positioning not to create ligatures

<heycam> ... so it seems a bit messy

<heycam> ... I propose that maybe we should have a new type of text, more like pdf, specifying individual glyphs taht you want to use

<heycam> ... so you can choose the ligatures

<heycam> ... and you always specify glyph positions

<heycam> ... and the existing <text> will be automatically laid out text

<ChrisL> sounds like a glyphlist rather than text - so would need an 'alt' for accessibility

<heycam> ... and it can create ligatures on the fly for you

<heycam> ... so people who want a simple interface can still have that, but people like us, who want more control over glyph selection and positioning can have that as well

<heycam> CM: we may need to have glyph indexing

<ChrisL> the interaction between altglyph and opentype layout tables is underspecified

<heycam> CM: but we do have <altGlyph> and <glyphDef>

DS: do we have properties to control if ligatures are formed?

<ChrisL> CSS3 has a way to disable discretionary ligatures

CM: true
... but, I don't think that turns of mandatory ones

DS: ok

CM: I'm not completely well versed in the area.

DS: seems like a pain

CL: I understand that the idea behind the 2 modes

CM: do we want 'abc' or indexes into the font file

CL: not sure

RC: going the PDF way might be very difficult

CM: not if just using glyph ids

RC: true

CM: SVG is not ideal for absolute position but there is a need for positioning on character based input.
... Rik do you have an opinion

RC: I was looking at it from absolute positioning

CM: we need to keep allowing positioning in the current SVG text
... and make it as accessible as possible

CL: one of the reasons that was added was for adding more complicated text on a path

RC: and every glyph could have its own matrix

CM: yes by specifiying a rotation
... maybe we should present this at the face-to-face
... I need to implement it anyway and I will start off with my proposal
... I will give more detail at the F2F
... for the use case of absolute positioning, we should try to support better and someone should start on a proposal
... rik, do you want to take this on?

RC: I will discuss with Vincent but Adobe's interested.

CM: using glyph indices is probably a good way

RC: using glyph indices requires you have the font

CM: I think that is reasonable.
... that the font is always there when you do absolute positioning

FX taskforce

DS: want to discuss the CSS and SVG charters

CM: should we wait for vincent

DS: we'll talk about it via email

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Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: shepazu to follow up with Peter Linss about testing [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/06/09-svg-minutes.html#action01]
 
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