Events and Actions

CS: talked to Larry
... DOM Level3 Events is better way to go
... DOM Level3 events are not specific to accessibility
... proposal seems to be gaining wide acceptance
... better approach than adding to ARIA
... rather than have event section in ARIA UAIG, should have accessibility API in the DOM Level3 spec
... Cut event section from ARIA UAIG

DB: suppose a checkbox goes from checked to unchecked, the state changed event doesn't seem to be covered in James' document

CS: Section on events that each role should support is the one that should be removed

DB: still need the section on State and Property Changes

CS: DOM Level3 events ties the events to something else that developers want to do - seems like a better way to go

DB: agree

CS: Other discussion was about actions
... Rich and I have had a lot of discussions about adding something like UI patterns to WAI-ARIA
... UIA is a different approach - more of a "has a" approach than a "is a" approach
... have a lot more UI things that are not exactly a menu or button or whatever
... patterns are "invoke", "toggle", etc. - can combine them
... AIA owns the UIA spec now. Rich participates. Good way to get into it.
... rather than saying what MSAA default action every role should support, makes more sense to invest in a future pattern approach
... want to close these two bugs and pursue pattern based approach for ARIA 2.0
... ATs must be simulating clicks now and it seems to work

DB: based on the role, we expose actions, provide action name if the AT requests it
... DoDefault action sometimes simulates a mouse click

AS: table in 4.7 Actions that lists the default action for ARIA roles that have actions
... Event column is blank

CS: remove the Event column

DB: Can leave the implementation to the browser

<scribe> ACTION: Cynthia to talk to Rich & Janina about a pattern based approach for ARIA 2.0 and will open the action item when appropriate. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/10/28-aapi-minutes.html#action01]

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=ARIA

bugs

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=ARIA

bug 7223

add text to role table for "link"

bug 7634

http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-wai-aria-implementation-20100916/#mapping_additional_nd

Cynthia checks to see what IE does

bug 9656

this is related to the aria-hidden issue

DB: case where somebody is pointing to a label but the label is hidden
... don't really understand the author use case
... need to understand what this is critical for
... maybe this is the case where you want text that is hidden except for screen readers

AS: isn't aria-label for that?

DB: maybe need to grab the element using Ajax, translated version, don't want to hard code the string?
... need test cases for aria-hidden to see what the browsers are doing
... get explanations on why a certain way is better
... think this is the one that James felt pretty strongly about
... Webkit will grab the text and include it in the text alternative calculation

<scribe> ACTION: Cynthia to test what IE does for bug 7634 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/10/28-aapi-minutes.html#action02]

<scribe> ACTION: Andi to draft text for 7223 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/10/28-aapi-minutes.html#action03]

http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-wai-aria-implementation-20100916/#mapping_actions

<scribe> ACTION: Cynthia to look at 7115 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/10/28-aapi-minutes.html#action04]

DB: what does "cause actions to be associated with them" mean?

CS: maybe we can get rid of this table because we want to pursue a pattern based approach for ARIA 2.0

DB: think this kind of table might be more useful in a best practices guide

CS: delete the table

<scribe> ACTION: Andi to delete the table and close bug 7115 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/10/28-aapi-minutes.html#action05]

CS and DB agree that changing the DOM because of ARIA is not the right approach

<scribe> ACTION: Andi to delete the Events column from the table of ARIA roles that have actions associated with them in section 4.7 Actions [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/10/28-aapi-minutes.html#action06]

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