<thugbot> [localhost] MikeSmith: I can't reach bugzilla

<MikeSmith> hai

<MikeSmith> working … must have been transient

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10625] Spec should cover stopping parsing on location.href = "foo" <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0772.html>

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 9985] [parser] How to parse </foo </bar> <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0774.html> 4** [Bug 10624] Selection anchorNode/anchorOffset/focusNode/focusOffset do not match existing browser behaviour <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0773.html>

<pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 9985] [parser] How to parse </foo </bar>" (2 messages in thread) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0775.html>

<pimpbot> bugmail: "[Bug 9985] [parser] How to parse </foo </bar>" (3 messages in thread) <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0776.html>

<pimpbot> planet: Simulating :hover and Double Clicks With Pure CSS on Mobile Devices <11http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ajaxian/~3/dth-9khwRoU/simulating-hover-and-double-clicks-with-pure-css-on-mobile-devices>

<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 10625] Spec should cover stopping parsing on location.href = "foo" <11http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2010Sep/0777.html>

<rubys> trackbot, start meeting

<trackbot> Date: 16 September 2010

<MikeSmith> Za,

<scribe> ScribeNick: mjs

ACTION items due by Thursday, Sept 16

actions due by September 16

rubys: none

New issues this week

rubys: issue-119 rel-repetition
... issue-121 http-caching

<rubys> issue-123?

<trackbot> ISSUE-123 -- Autofocus attribute security concerns -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/123

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-123 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

<rubys> issue-124?

<trackbot> ISSUE-124 -- nofollow/noreferrer not allowed on <link> -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/124

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-124 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

rubys: issue-123 autofocus

<rubys> ISSUE-122?

<trackbot> ISSUE-122 -- alt text and description for Lady of Shalott example -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/122

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-122 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

rubys: issue-124 rel-limits

<rubys> ISSUE-120?

<trackbot> ISSUE-120 -- Use of prefixes is too complicated for a Web technology -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/120

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-120 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

rubys: issue-122 shalott-example
... issue-120 rdfa-prefixes

Items closed last week

rubys: none

items closing this week

rubys: issue-116 should be able to close by amicable consensus
... will do that immediately after this meeting

items closing next week

rubys: issue-41 calls for revised change proposals
... Leif indicated that he is no longer willing to pursue his
... the other was Ian's - Edward O'Connor volunteered to pick it up
... deadline is September 22

outstanding calls for proposals

rubys: issue-117 deprecate-noscript -- looking for proposals by September 22

issue-117?

<trackbot> ISSUE-117 -- Deprecate the noscript element -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/117

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-117 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

new calls

rubys: call for proposals issue-118 broken-link-types

issue-118?

<trackbot> ISSUE-118 -- Specification breaks semantics of existing link relations "index" and "first" -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/118

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-118 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

rubys: call for proposals issue-122

issue-122?

<trackbot> ISSUE-122 -- alt text and description for Lady of Shalott example -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/122

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-122 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

rubys: call for proposals issue-123

issue-123?

<trackbot> ISSUE-123 -- Autofocus attribute security concerns -- raised

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/123

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-123 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

rubys: call for counter-proposals issue-27

issue-27?

<trackbot> ISSUE-27 -- @rel value ownership, registry consideration -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/27

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-27 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

rubys: call for consensus on issue-110

issue-110?

<trackbot> ISSUE-110 -- Change Control for text/html-sandboxed media type -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/110

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-110 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

rubys: there is also a call for consensus for 8 heartbeat Working Drafts
... plan is to publish in early October

last call schedule

rubys: asked editors which documents are ready
... HTML5 is definitely on the list
... suggested by their editors:
... HTML Canvas 2D Context
... HTML Microdata
... Polyglot Markup: HTML-Compatible XHTML Documents
... HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives
... editors declined to go to LC at this time for HTML5 differences from HTML4
... no word from editors:
... HTML: The Markup Language
... HTML+RDFa 1.1

<Julian> Mike?

rubys: questions?

issue updates

DS: the SVG working group is very encouraged by the timeline for HTML5 Last Call

rubys: issue-85 and bug 10066

<pimpbot> 11http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10066 faulkner.steve@gmail.com, P1, NEW, 13replace section 3.2.6 with the alternative spec text provided (ARIA)

<rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Sep/0189.html

<pimpbot> Title: ARIA mapping status update from Maciej Stachowiak on 2010-09-16 (public-html@w3.org from September 2010) (at lists.w3.org)

<rubys> Summary: - 15 points of agreement (apparent consensus) - 5 clear point of disagreement (escalated) - 3 items with next action on proposal authors - 12 items with next action on editor - 1 item with next action on PFWG - 1 other

mjs: I sent a new email update
... I am encouraged that most of the open actions from last week are now either clear points of agreement or clear points of disagreement
... there are also many new bugs which need to be dealt with

rubys: ISSUE-74 and ISSUE-105 (canvas) now unblocked

<MikeSmith> issue-105?

<trackbot> ISSUE-105 -- allow image maps on the canvas element -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/105

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-105 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

rubys: there are 5 proposals - we need to figure out what to do with them, and review them for completeness
... next is issue-9

issue-9?

<trackbot> ISSUE-9 -- how accessibility works for <video> is unclear -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/9

<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-9 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

testing Task Force report

<krisk> The group meet on 9/7 and will meet again on 9/21

<krisk> Meetings notes -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2010Sep/0006.html

<pimpbot> Title: RE: HTML Testing Task Force Conf Call Agenda 9/7/2010 from Kris Krueger on 2010-09-07 (public-html-testsuite@w3.org from September 2010) (at lists.w3.org)

<krisk> Currently the Official HTML5 test suite has 138 approved tests

krisk: group met on 9/7 and will meet on 9/21

<krisk> I expect this to grow to 200+ in the next month

krisk: we have 138 of approved tests
... I expect this grow to 200

<krisk> 1 Bug has been fixed - http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10532

<pimpbot> 1110532: Ms2ger@gmail.com, P2, RESOLVED FIXED, 13Update XHTML tests

krisk: our first active bug was opened and fixed

<krisk> 1 Active bug exists - http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10632

<pimpbot> 1110632: krisk@microsoft.com, P2, NEW, 13Video test #8 is incorrect

krisk: bug 10532

<pimpbot> 11http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10532 Ms2ger@gmail.com, P2, RESOLVED FIXED, 13Update XHTML tests

krisk: 1 bug exists - bug 10632

<pimpbot> 11http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10632 krisk@microsoft.com, P2, NEW, 13Video test #8 is incorrect

krisk: other stuff going on

<krisk> The test runner was updated to run the getElementsByClassname tests without clicking pass/fail

krisk: we updated the test runner
... getElementsByClassName tests can be run without clicking pass/fail

<krisk> We also discussed how a test page with multiple tests would be presented in the conformance results (http://test.w3.org/html/tests/reporting/report.htm)

<pimpbot> Title: HTML5 Conformance Test Results (at test.w3.org)

<krisk> The meeting ended with discussion on 'ref' tests - in somecase they can work, but not all cases.

krisk: there was a discussion about reftests

<krisk> as such we will be sticking self describing tests

krisk: we'll be sticking with self-describing tests

<krisk> which could still be used be vendors for automation

shepazu: the Web Apps WG is interested to know if it's reasonable to put DOM3 Events tests into the HTML5 test repository, and the SVG WG is interested in tests that specifically test integration

krisk: Microsoft pushed some DOM Level 3 tests

<adrianba> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webapps/

<pimpbot> Title: webapps: Summary W3C Mercurial repositories (at dvcs.w3.org)

krisk: I'm sure there is collaboration to be done

<MikeSmith> plh could not be on the telcon today because he's on another call, asked me to pass on his regrest

rubys: accessibility task force report

janina: we are unstuck on a number of issues
... we have a path forward on accesskey; should have all bugs filed by October 1
... we think it may turn into a cascading tree of bugs
... similarly for Drag & Drop we are not sure how the current spec can support keyboard
... whatever bugs we need to file, we should be ok on meeting October 1, across the board

shepazu: so the work on accesskey - are you guys conscious of the newest state of DOM3 Events?

janina: yes

shepazu: I wanted to let you guys know that DOM3 Events has changed quite a lot since the last published draft

janina: Gregory is our lead on this

shepazu: I will send an email to him

rubys: any other questions or comments?

other business

rubys: there has been discussion of bugzilla notification
... discussion guidelines

<rubys> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/DiscussionGuidelines

<pimpbot> Title: DiscussionGuidelines - HTML WG Wiki (at www.w3.org)

rubys: everyone should be aware of this
... applies in all w3c forums - including the mailing list and the bug tracker

Laura: thanks, Sam, for working on those

rubys: thanks for starting it!
... any other other business?

volunteers to scribe for the next meeting

rubys: I will volunteer; I believe it is Paul's turn
... I'll defer to adrian
... next item on the agenda is adjournment
... thanks everyone

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