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<trackbot> Date: 19 May 2010
<mhausenblas> hu? I'm the first? :)
<mhausenblas> people, it's 7 past the hour here :D
<mhausenblas> heya silvia
<scribe> scribenick: raphael
<scribe> Scribe: raphael
PROPOSED to accept the short minutes of the 12 May 2010 telecon: http://www.w3.org/2010/05/12-mediafrag-minutes.html ?
<silvia> +1
+1
<mhausenblas> +1
Next F2F meeting: Michael will not make it physically but will paticipate remotely
Raphael will send details this afternoon
ACTIOn-156?
<trackbot> ACTION-156 -- Conrad Parker to add a "bandwidth conservation use case" -- due 2010-03-16 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/156
Raphael: I will email Conrad about that ...
ACTION-123?
<trackbot> ACTION-123 -- Silvia Pfeiffer to come up with ABNF for header syntax -- due 2009-12-09 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/123
Silvia: quite busy week, I
haven't started, but I will do that tonight
... I do not expect difficulty, I will email this out
ACTION-154?
<trackbot> ACTION-154 -- Davy Van Deursen to add a section 5.2.4 describing his new optimization -- due 2010-03-16 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/154
close ACTION-154
<trackbot> ACTION-154 Add a section 5.2.4 describing his new optimization closed
Raphael: Davy has re-structured the section 5.2, is there any objections ?
Silvia: no objection
Michael: no objections
Silvia: I agree that currently,
codecs do not allow to address spatial fragment without
transcoding
... so agree, it should happen with a query
<silvia> spatial fragment retrieval cannot be done with byte ranges right now because current media formats and codecs don't allow it
<silvia> but it may be possible in future
Silvia: if there is a fragment, #xywh= ... then, no request issued, client might highlight a region if it has all the data
Raphael: I will buzz Jack for the action 137
ACTION-163?
<trackbot> ACTION-163 -- Raphaël Troncy to send a resolution on handling non-existing or illegal fragments to the mailinglist -- due 2010-05-19 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/163
close ACTION-163
<trackbot> ACTION-163 Send a resolution on handling non-existing or illegal fragments to the mailinglist closed
Raphael: see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010May/0031.html
Michael: no more work on corrib
yet
... so I would still need one week to complete and give the
ball to Erik
Raphael: what is the plan exactly?
ACTION-146?
<trackbot> ACTION-146 -- Jack Jansen to identify and add in corrib any missing test cases for temporal fragments -- due 2010-03-03 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/146
Michael: the question is really,
can we really have an automated test suite ?
... if not, then corrib is of little use
Raphael: my proposal would be to
change the action 146 assigned to Jack to a thorough review of
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TemporalDimension
... then, someone needs to add them into Corrib
Erik: I miss what can be automatized also
<mhausenblas> http://ld2sd.deri.org/corrib/corrib.php?export=v1-mediafrag&format=rdf-xml
<mhausenblas> http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/test-suite/
Erik: I should talk to my implementers to see if this can be of use
<scribe> ACTION: Erik to report to the group whether such an approach from RDFa test suite can be used for automatically testing the media fragment specification [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/05/19-mediafrag-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-164 - Report to the group whether such an approach from RDFa test suite can be used for automatically testing the media fragment specification [on Erik Mannens - due 2010-05-26].
<mhausenblas> http://ngrep.sourceforge.net/
<silvia> ngrep or tcpdump are good tools for monitoring connections
Silvia: I think whatever plugin you have for the browser, testing if the plugins does the real thing can only be tested with one of these tools
Erik: maybe we can make a summer project for this
<silvia> what you would require is a commandline tool that pulls in what is an expected HTTP exchange sequence from a media fragment request (which could come from corrib) and check with what actually goes over the wire
<silvia> those tools can help with monitoring what actually goes over the wire
Silvia: Let's discuss your email: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2010May/0034.html
Raphael: I think as soon as a
fragment is requested, we cannot have a 200 answer, so MUST be
a 206
... I think if there is a #t= ... then a Range request should
be issued, even if the fragment happens to be the entire
resource
<mhausenblas> ok, re ACTION-147 - new people are added
<mhausenblas> see http://ld2sd.deri.org/corrib/sparql.php?query=SELECT+DISTINCT+%3Fs++FROM+%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2008%2FWebVideo%2FFragments%2FContributor%2F%3E+WHERE+{%0D%0A++%3Fs+%3Fp+%3Fo+.%0D%0A}%0D%0ALIMIT+10&output=htmltab&jsonp=&key=&show_inline=1
You should put: http://identi.ca/conradparker owl:sameAs http://identi.ca/user/31499
scribe: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/Contributor/JackJansen owl:sameAs http://twitter.com/hackerjack60
Controversial issue about #01 and #04 ... whether a range request should be send at all or not ?
Raphael: I will mention this to Jack when he is reviewing the spec
Open Video Conference: http://www.openvideoconference.org/?l=en
Raphael: who should be there?
should the group lobby there for implementations ?
... I think this is the MOST important event!
Silvia: I will there, likely, organize a workshop (FOAM?)
<silvia> FOMS
Silvia: I can send announcement when I have news
<silvia> I will organise a 2-day FOMS workshop before OVC and 1 day hackday after OVC on the Sunday
Raphael: deadline is June 7th ... we can propose a lecture / talk
<erik> +1
Silvia: we can have a f2f there ... talk will be for a general audience
close ACTION-147
<trackbot> ACTION-147 Add all MF WG members to corrib closed
<silvia> bye
[meeting adjourned]
<mhausenblas> happy birthday, erik !!