<trackbot> Date: 21 January 2010

<kliehm> that me

http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/

Review open action items

<MikeSmith> action-6?

<trackbot> ACTION-6 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to address fragments versus entire pages as alternatives with HTML WG members -- due 2010-01-21 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/6

http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/overdue

<MikeSmith> action-6 due 01-28

<trackbot> ACTION-6 address fragments versus entire pages as alternatives with HTML WG members due date now 01-28

<MikeSmith> action-7?

<trackbot> ACTION-7 -- Gregory Rosmaita to propose braille media type (as opposed to simply tactile) or sub-type after consulting with Braille-in-DAISY and others -- due 2010-01-15 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/7

<gfreed> yes, it is.

<scribe> scribe: oedipus

<MikeSmith> action-7: this action has been completed and next steps include taking a proposal to CSS WG

<trackbot> ACTION-7 propose braille media type (as opposed to simply tactile) or sub-type after consulting with Braille-in-DAISY and others notes added

<MikeSmith> close action-7

<trackbot> ACTION-7 propose braille media type (as opposed to simply tactile) or sub-type after consulting with Braille-in-DAISY and others closed

<mhakkinen> i called in ... might be pp8

<gfreed> yes, 300 is gfreed at wgbh.

<scribe> ACTION: GJR - work with Canvas sub-group on tactile and braille media types/groups proposal for CSS WG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/21-html-a11y-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-14 - - work with Canvas sub-group on tactile and braille media types/groups proposal for CSS WG [on Gregory Rosmaita - due 2010-01-28].

<MichaelC> Geoff_Freed is Markku_Hakkinen

<MichaelC> zaki, Geoff_Freed is Markku_Hakkinen

<MikeSmith> action-14 due 2010-02-14

<trackbot> ACTION-14 - work with Canvas sub-group on tactile and braille media types/groups proposal for CSS WG due date now 2010-02-14

MS: closed ACTION-7, created ACTION-14 on GJR
... ACTION-9 - Coooper and i discussed; tracker may not have been updated

<MikeSmith> action-9?

<trackbot> ACTION-9 -- Michael Cooper to make a proposal for which bugs we should take on, for review at next meeting -- due 2010-01-21 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/9

MC: sent email linked to action before call; identify 10 categories to focus on; other matters need attention, but TF probably not best place for them

MS: ok

<MikeSmith> action-9: MichaelC sent e-mail summary on 01-21

<trackbot> ACTION-9 Make a proposal for which bugs we should take on, for review at next meeting notes added

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Jan/0245.html

MS: close Action-9

<MikeSmith> close action-9

<trackbot> ACTION-9 Make a proposal for which bugs we should take on, for review at next meeting closed

MS: need to keep that summary list for later reference
... Action 10 on GJR

<MikeSmith> action-10?

<trackbot> ACTION-10 -- Gregory Rosmaita to work with Wendy on user-side of what AT needs in order to communicate meaningful info to AT user -- due 2010-01-21 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/10

GJR: tied to wendy action -- talked to her, but couldn't make connection

MS: title on Action 11 not clear

wendy?

JS need timeline; extend action 11 for 1 week -- reassigned to wendy per discussion at 2010-01-21 HTML A11y TF

MS: action 11 open - please communicate by email or at next call

<MikeSmith> action-11 due 2010-01-11

<trackbot> ACTION-11 - report on timeline for summary verbiage about what AT needs to communicate and report back to HTML5 A11y TF due date now 2010-01-11

<MikeSmith> close action-10

<trackbot> ACTION-10 Work with Wendy on user-side of what AT needs in order to communicate meaningful info to AT user closed

MS: close action 10?

GJR: yes

MS: Action 12 - http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/12 - not due until next week
... Ensure there is a dependency between the HTML5 specification and the HTML 5 2D Context specification to ensure that the author has the ability to set the visible focus, for <canvas>, to ensure that a magnifier may follow the visual focus. This would be driven by the shadow DOM

<MikeSmith> action-12?

<trackbot> ACTION-12 -- Steve Faulkner to ensure there is a dependency between the HTML5 specification and the HTML 5 2D Context specification to ensure that the author has the ability to set the visible focus, for <canvas>, to ensure that a magnifier may follow the visual focus. This would be driven by the shadow DOM. -- due 2010-01-25 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/12

SF: been in lots of discussion on this topic over past few days; get formal understanding of it and report back to TF

MS: ok, keep open - not due today anyway

<MikeSmith> action-12: Steve continues to work on this

<trackbot> ACTION-12 Ensure there is a dependency between the HTML5 specification and the HTML 5 2D Context specification to ensure that the author has the ability to set the visible focus, for <canvas>, to ensure that a magnifier may follow the visual focus. This would be driven by the shadow DOM. notes added

<MikeSmith> action-13?

<trackbot> ACTION-13 -- Cynthia Shelly to create a change proposal for table summary -- due 2010-01-21 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/13

MS: action 13 - http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/13

CS: just sent to list few minutes ago

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Jan/0249.html

http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Summary_Change_Proposal_Nov_18%2C_2009

MS: we can say that this reflects consensus of Task Force?

CS: i believe so

JS: not having read latest yet, don't want to say, but expect need a bit of discussion perhaps today or next week; need to focus on finalizing and transmission to HTML WG

CS: but action done
... please add as agenda item next week

PC: why not do call for consensus via email on proposal

JS: not bad idea - problem with email is counting noses

<MikeSmith> action-13: message from Cynthia - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Jan/0249.html

<trackbot> ACTION-13 create a change proposal for table summary notes added

JS: suggest for chairs meeting, use web survey mechanism for polling - gives reliable account qickly

PC: thought TF already worked on this and need to ensure reflects decisions; asking for last check, don't need survey

CS: is not unanimity on proposal - may be easiest to determine majority/minority with a survey

PC: if put of discussion for a week, will be 2 weeks before gets to HTML WG

MS: call for consensus via email one expeditious means of dealing with this

<MikeSmith> close action-13

<trackbot> ACTION-13 create a change proposal for table summary closed

MS: for now, will close action 13

CS: discuss next week?

JS: expect so

PC: HTML WG action 170 at WG level due next week
... status of that work?

JS: in process
... not forgotten or languishing

reports from TF Subgroups (Canvas; Video; ...)

<MikeSmith> Paul asked about HTML WG action 170

reports from TF subgroups

JF: steve and i had conversation this week; need to kick something into gear;
... series of basic questions to consider; first step: get questions out for general discussion
... situation right now; proof-of-concepts for providing captions - which directions do we want to focus on - many possibilities emerging
... timing, timestamp formate, etc.
... need to articulate questions and get open to public
... aware of urgency

MS: others help?

GJR: make wiki page with questoins on TF wiki?

JF: can't think of anything offhand - need to review past work and past resources; whole bunch of work done in mozilla; javascript to provide captions been demonstrated
... will take responsibility to get before the public

SF: what is current status: still need additional code in HTML5 to provide, or about evangelizing and using external methods

<Laura> Dave started a Multimedia Q&A Wiki Page: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Multimedia_Q%26A

JF: fundamental question; seen 2 very distinct solutions proferred; there are existing solutions do we want to explore each or get down and dirty, require captioning and detail requirements and methods

<Joshue> There seems to be even no consensus about a lot of stuff with <canvas> such as what a shadow DOM is.

JF: do it for reason Y and here are methods; don't know answer off top of head

MS: need to check in again and make an assessment of how much has been done, current state of art; maybe need additional people in multimedia sub-group

JF: by next week's call will have list of questions - post to maililng list first

SF: can give quick update on CANVAS
... low attendance at meetings
... changes as far as providing focus - drawing focus rectangle on CANVAS and also interactivity with elements in CANVAS sub-DOM
... looks promising from my perspective
... outreach being made to developers
... media queries for providing alternative content for CANVAS - more problematic; not agreed to within sub-group
... RichS running discussions down; working on proposal

MS: seems like deliverable for CANVAS discussion is the spec, right?

SF: right

MS: any editors writing that spec?

SF: RichS writing portion of text for spec
... concept of CANVAS fallback is no longer suitable concept for what is in canvas sub-DOM; appears that providing interattion with elements in sub-DOM may be mainstream way for devs to have directives / controls that only appear on canvas, but user can still interact with elements in sub-DOM itself, so saying "this is fallback" is no longer correct

JS: why a subgroup - a lot to consider

<MikeSmith> q

<Joshue> Thanks to Chaals for explaining the murky world of the shadow DOM!

<MikeSmith> wendy: regarding "ACTION-11 - report on timeline for summary verbiage about what AT needs to communicate and report back to HTML5 A11y TF" do you have a timeline to report today?

<Stevef> canvas image map example: http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/misc/canvas-pie/pie.html

<MikeSmith> action-11 due 2010-02-04

<trackbot> ACTION-11 - report on timeline for summary verbiage about what AT needs to communicate and report back to HTML5 A11y TF due date now 2010-02-04

<MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/44061/201001_ftf/

<MikeSmith> MikeSmith: TF members who have not responded to that survey should please do so

<Marco_Ranon> i will after speaking to my line manager tomorow

<wendy> is it possible to co-locate it with www or csun?

Review of "a11y" bugs

<MikeSmith> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Jan/0245.html

<paulc> Leaving to go to HTML WG meeting.

<kliehm> Just contacted Julian Viereck (http://twitter.com/jviereck), one of the lead developers of Bespin, and invited him to the TF Canvas Subgroup. When is the weekly telcon?

<Stevef> kliehm: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-canvas-api/2010JanMar/0044.html

<MikeSmith> we'll be back next week, with Janina chairing

<dboudreau> take care all

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