Social Web Incubator Group Teleconference

 

say something

yes i hear you

whose money?

<hhalpin> trackbot, start meeting

<trackbot> Date: 16 September 2009

<hhalpin> 1. Convene SWXG WG meeting of 2009-09-16T13:00-15:00Z

money could be saved using asterix

<hhalpin> Hans?

hides

<tinkster> not today, i may have to rush off

sure i will

i just need help knowing who is talking sometimes

<hhalpin> PROPOSED: to approve SWXG WG Weekly -- 9th September 2009 (only text IRC notes!) as a true record

<hhalpin> http://www.w3.org/2009/09/02-swxg-irc.txt

<tinkster> you mean this? http://www.w3.org/2009/09/09-swxg-irc

+1 accept

yes

<bblfish> yes

<MacTed> +1

<bblfish> I think it was making you talk very fast

<hhalpin> RESOLVED: to approve SWXG WG Weekly -- 9th September 2009 (only text IRC notes!) as a true recor

headsets are powered by USB some places

<hhalpin> ACTION: hhalpin needs to convert previous minutes into HTML via some script [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/16-swxg-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-85 - Needs to convert previous minutes into HTML via some script [on Harry Halpin - due 2009-09-23].

<hhalpin> PROPOSED: to meet again Wed. Sept. 23rd

<hhalpin> 2. General Organization and Task Forces

ok, what is the next item to meet again?

<tinkster> yes

<tinkster> much better

what is the acronym?

TPAC?

thanks

dan: TPAC is a multigroup meeting scheduled for 2 days

zakim: mute me

harry: has requested days but has yet to receive confirmation

dan: scheduled for Monday only ATM
... open day Monday but business on Tuesday
... W3C is asking for a registration and $50 charge

harry: this might effect attendance

dan: this barrier may not be compatible with inviting new people's interest
... W3C has to pay for the facility

harry: my suggestion is to meet as an XG on Monday to work on UseCase documents
... on Tuesday get our XG to attend identity workshop
... earlybird registration ends tomorrow
... fee is substantial but covers a week's attendance, and maybe we can get a reduced fee for attending for a day
... we can attempt to do outreach during that time

dan: we can do XG on Tuesday, but have Monday as an openday in a neutral location

<bblfish> I could look about Sun Microsystems offices

<bblfish> in center of SF

harry: that sounds acceptable

dan: does anyone have a contact for finding a space?

<scribe> unknown: how many people?

dan: possibly 100

<scribe> unknown: there is a one floor office space with limited space

<scribe> unknown: outside san francisco ?

dan: mountain view area
... in that general geographic area

<bblfish> question: should it be in SF? In SF I don't think it is possible for more than 30. In Menlo Park there will certainly be space for more

<bblfish> yes, it's in Bay Area

dan: where is menlo park?

<bblfish> ah ok

<bblfish> I thought it was in SF

<bblfish> yes, I'll check

<bblfish> how does one create a TASK?

dan: henry can you check if we can access to that space?
... we need the space on Tuesday

harry: agreed

<bblfish> if someone can create a task for me

<hhalpin> ACTION: bblfish to check on Monday 2nd of Nov. for SUN space for Social Web open day [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/16-swxg-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-86 - Check on Monday 2nd of Nov. for SUN space for Social Web open day [on Henry Story - due 2009-09-23].

<hhalpin> ACTION: DKA to communicate Monday->Tuesday switch for SWXG. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/16-swxg-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-87 - Communicate Monday->Tuesday switch for SWXG. [on Daniel Appelquist - due 2009-09-23].

<hhalpin> ACTION: [CONTINUES] DKA to summarize OSLO and geoLocation conversation in order to spread knowledge of these efforts among W3C members [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/16-swxg-minutes.html#action04]

<hhalpin> ACTION: [CONTINUES] Mischa to describe/implement a report of terms and conditions, and how they change between now and the end of the XG. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/16-swxg-minutes.html#action05]

<hhalpin> 3. Invited Guest Invitations

<hhalpin> Something on activity streams looks interesting

<hhalpin> http://wiki.activitystrea.ms/

<hhalpin> ACTION: [CONTINUES] danbri to find someone from Opera to talk Widgets [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/16-swxg-minutes.html#action06]

<hhalpin> ACTION: [CONTINUES] danbri and karl to contact Evan of identi.ca over OpenMicroblogging and W3C. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/16-swxg-minutes.html#action07]

<tinkster> Libby Miller also has an activities-in-RDF thing in progress.

<hhalpin> ACTION: [CONTINUES] Renato and DanBri and hhalpin to schedule DataPortability.org/XMPP [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/16-swxg-minutes.html#action08]

harry: since no one appears to have contacts, look at the specs

<hhalpin> 4. Technical Overview

<hhalpin> What precisely should be in the technical overview? The matrix? Mappings? How should the matrix relate to the user-stories

<hhalpin> 5. User Stories

<hhalpin> ACTION: [CONTINUES] adam to write up the boeing use case for enterprise social networks [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/16-swxg-minutes.html#action09]

<hhalpin> ACTION: [CONTINUES] rreck to flesh out anonymous usecase connecting to multiple identies and null provenance [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/16-swxg-minutes.html#action10]

<hhalpin> ACTION: [CONTINUES] Oshani to merge document takedown with time-related takedown "forget this in ten years" and more general concept of data removal. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/16-swxg-minutes.html#action11]

<hhalpin> ACTION: [CONTINUES] oshani to reframe the geolocation/intent/portability [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/16-swxg-minutes.html#action12]

harry: what else do people want to see in the technical overview?

<hhalpin> ACTION: [CONTINUES] oshani to flesh out "Intransitivity of Policies Applied to Social Network Data" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/16-swxg-minutes.html#action13]

<hhalpin> ACTION: [CONTINUES] bblfish to relabel data protection use case to be about controlled access and takedown to data "about" you [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/16-swxg-minutes.html#action14]

<hhalpin> ACTION: [CONTINUES] bblfish to merge Family and Group access usecases. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/16-swxg-minutes.html#action15]

<hhalpin> [CONTIUES] ACTION:caribou to flesh out Data Protection use-case specifying user vs. purpose, cite their work in PrimeLife

i can hear a pin drop

<tinkster> libby miller's sketch of activities in RDF - http://swordfish.rdfweb.org/discovery/2009/06/activ/schema.html

<hhalpin> ACTION: [CONTINUES] hhalpin explain to henry and oshani doc editing process for usecase [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/16-swxg-minutes.html#action16]

harry: given the lack of comments i will put forth some proposals
... do we have RDF serializations of some of these streams?

<hhalpin> 7. Invited Guest - David Raggett

harry: please looks at activity streams

<dsr> slides http://www.w3.org/2009/Talks/1609-dsr-intermediaries.pdf

dsr: provides background about himself that rreck misses
... people can ask as we go through the slides
... web privacy is a challenge
... i will present some approaches
... websites often present policies that are hard to digest
... these appear to protect the website than help the user
... slide 3
... access from a variety of devices - laptop, mobile, livingroom -etc

im lazy

<bblfish> that's a good use case: being able to login from any machine

dsr: people are likely to click through
... worrying but possibly meaningless
... global identifiers are possibly not great
... openID is convenient
... slide 6 open ID
... its good in someway since its constrained access rights
... what is the next step beyond openID

rreck im having trouble keeping up

dsr: slide 9

thanks

<bblfish> you have forgotten software sales as a business model

<bblfish> one could build software, and have people pay for the updates, or for insurance

<MacTed> Agents

<DKA> web-cloud-social-ajax-mashups

<DKA> (or mashup-agents)

otherwise we end up trusting everyone

<tinkster> dsr: when social networks change privacy policies, it would be good if the old policy continued to stick to previously-submitted data.

i forget about scribing sorry

<hhalpin> privacy provider specifications?

harry: are there existing privacy policy specifications?

dsr: p3p
... most users arent willing to open browser policies
... delegation model is useful in this context
... its a challenge to keep abreast of what is happening in this area
... as its in its infancy

<bblfish> you could also use Access control on RESTful resources that return different representations when different people access the site depending on what group of people have access to what info

harry: we are writing a report therefore we looking at where to point

<melvster> Delivery Context Ontology: http://www.w3.org/TR/dcontology/

dsr: context awareness and personalization working group
... is being re-charter

<dsr> uwawg http://www.w3.org/2007/uwa/

dsr: continue working on the context ontology
... aligning this work with groups outside of W3C
... how do apply research to simplify things
... workshop in the spring, based on funding issues

cling?

<oshani> pling

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harry: where is the role of the device context ontology
... what is needed from the social web

dsr: personalization side, it can be multifaceted
... context involves a shared vocabulary
... that require defining

harry: other ontologies?

dsr: yes
... combining ontologies that dont preclude combinations

harry: what would you like us to say?

golly im scribingly challenged

dsr: work on vocabulary and standards will help

harry: is there anything you would like from incubator groups?

<bblfish> yea we have a lot of open source and demonstrators at http://esw.w3.org/topic/foaf+ssl

dsr: i havent thought of anything at this point

thanks for the presentation dsr

harry: who would be willing to document the main points of this talk?
... one or two paragraphs

privacy is much more than identity

<hhalpin> dsr: "privacy is much more than identity, and usability points to delegation models."

can the speaker please document their question

content negotiation

<pchampin> I have seen an openID provider offering multiple URIs for one account

<pchampin> with a Firefox extension to manage them easily

<bblfish> Content negotiation can return different representations depending on who is accessing the web site.

<pchampin> but that ties you to this particular provider...

cryptographic techniques which can minimize disclosing personal data

<hhalpin> +1 on usability

<melvster> i can try and write up a 1/2 paragraph summary

<hhalpin> ACTION: melvster to write up David Raggett's guest talk on context, delegated privacy providers, and so on. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/16-swxg-minutes.html#action17]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - melvster

dsr: delivery ontologies arent perfect yet
... vocabulary issues are best addressed up front

<hhalpin> Meeting adjourned.

<hhalpin> ACTION: mcarvalh to write up David Raggett's guest talk on context, delegated privacy providers, and so on. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/16-swxg-minutes.html#action18]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-88 - Write up David Raggett's guest talk on context, delegated privacy providers, and so on. [on Melvin Carvalho - due 2009-09-23].

<hhalpin> trackbot, end meeting