<veroniqueM> hi! I will not be able to join on the phone, other meetings going on at the same time, but I will follow on IRC

<joakim> hi welcome!

<scribe> scribe: florian

<joakim> Scribe: Florian

<joakim> http://www.w3.org/2009/06/02-mediaann-minutes.html

minutes accepted

next telecon: 16.06

no telecon at 23.06. because of he F2F in Stockholm

<joakim> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jun/0018.html

<joakim> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jun/0018.html

<joakim> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open

ACTION-43: ongoing

<trackbot> ACTION-43 Check XMP rating notes added

ACTION-47: ongoing

<trackbot> ACTION-47 And Frank to investiage existing approach for setting metadata on a "metamodel level" (or "ontology level") notes added

Joakim: wants to know the meaning of Action-105

Wonsuk: coming up with some vocabulary, terminology, ...

ACTION-105: ongoing

<trackbot> ACTION-105 Daniel to ask members for the definition of contributor types notes added

Joakim: is not sure whether the requirements document is updated as mentioned in Action-121

Thierry: allready updated

Joakim: there are linking problems to the right version of the document

<pchampin> shouldn't the link point to the "latest version" URI?

Thierry: make the change

<daniel> linked page in MAWG page is 20090119 version, so needs to be updated in our web page

ACTION-121: ongoing

<trackbot> ACTION-121 Remind doug to publish requirements document notes added

ACTION-122: close

<trackbot> ACTION-122 Talk to with Phillipe about the delay of the publication notes added

close ACTION-122

<trackbot> ACTION-122 Talk to with Phillipe about the delay of the publication closed

next item: Initial draft of "Ontology for Media Entity 1.0"

Wonsuk: veronique applied comments to the initial document

<wonsuk> http://tinyurl.com/m4vlrj

<tmichel> Use Cases and Requirements link on http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/

Wonsuk: change of the title of section 2
... added "complex" property value type

<tmichel> ... now updated to http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-media-annot-reqs-20090604

Wonsuk: introduction changed to the comments of veronique

<veroniqueM> I also changed other sections...

Wonsuk: moved the mapping expression

<veroniqueM> according to the proposition I sent on the mailing list last week

Wonsuk: all the differences can be found in http://tinyurl.com/m4vlrj

Joakim: Section 3.2. only a table with editorial notes?

Wonsuk: should we add descriptions?
... descriptions should be added in a second version

joakim: this section only a placeholder?

felix: columns in the tables are missing (semantic mapping)
... syntactic level mapping are missing

<joakim> mute aaaa

Werner: first looking at standards (for datatypes), than adopt thema, than specify the mapping

Felix: we need syntactic level mapping
... accordiung datatypes in existing formats

<pchampin> or "comma separated list of values" vs. actual multiple values

Felix: extending the information in a similar way in a next draft like in CableLabs 1.1

<fsasaki> action - everybody responsible for a format: add a column describing syntactic information ("data types", see cable lab column "Type") to his table

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - -

<joakim> werner?

Werner: agrees with the need for choosing the datatypes based on used datatypes in other standards

<joakim> +1

<tobias> +1 for Werner

Felix: +1 for Werner

+1

<wonsuk> +1

<pchampin> +1

<scribe> ACTION: Felix to check - everybody responsible for a format: add a column describing syntactic information ("data types", see cable lab column "Type") to his table [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-124 - Check - everybody responsible for a format: add a column describing syntactic information ("data types", see cable lab column "Type") to his table [on Felix Sasaki - due 2009-06-16].

joakim: is this version of ontology draft close for publishment?

Wonsuk: initial version of mapping table should be checked by Thierry

<daniel> let's go for the publication as quick as possible to get further feedbacks from outside experts

+1 for daniel

Thierry: will check the document and discuss it offline with Wonsuk

Joakim: publishment of the document possible till friday?
... document needs to be varified by the w3c

Thierry: different things to do in order to publish
... xhtml validation
... no broken links in the document
... comeing up with a list of TODOs on the ontology draft
... publications only on tuesday and thursday (request one day before)

Joakim: after Thierries comments we will publish the document
... make recordings for an improvement of the first version of the ontology doc

Werner: the last comment of veronique remainded on the discussion of the last F2F where we thought about several layers of complexity

+1 for Werner

<fsasaki> +1 to werner

scribe: better uzsage for reasoning and usability
... add note that more formal defintiions will come up in next versions of the draft, oerhaps in the introduction or ion the property section list

Wonsuk: agrees with Werner, add this description to the property section

unmute me

<scribe> ACTION: Florian make wiki page for the improvements of the ontology document (type column, ...) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/09-mediaann-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-125 - Make wiki page for the improvements of the ontology document (type column, ...) [on Florian Stegmaier - due 2009-06-16].

Florian: will try to summarize rthe open issues in a wiki page for the F2F in Stockholm

Felix: wants to define a serialization for properties

Joakim: out of scope from the goals of our group

<joakim> s/ Werner Werner

<joakim> no problem :-)

<fsasaki> Felix: I am worried that others will just define one or several serializations, so better we do it before

<joakim> AOBs?

<fsasaki> Felix: functionality for setting properties in existing formats and their serialization might not always possible

<pchampin> bye

<wonsuk> bye~

<joakim> thanks editors for the good work!

<joakim> yeah you did good

<joakim> Then you should email the link to the list please!

<joakim> ok thanks, see you!

bye everybody!

have a nice week!

<fsasaki> chair: joakim

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