IRC log of mediaann on 2009-06-09
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/06/09-mediaann-irc
- 12:01:19 [joakim]
- chair: Joakim
- 12:02:07 [Zakim]
- +wonsuk
- 12:02:50 [joakim]
- regrets: chris
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- + +0436991876aacc
- 12:03:17 [veroniqueM]
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- zakim, 0436991876aacc is werner
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- sorry, joakim, I do not recognize a party named '0436991876aacc'
- 12:03:54 [joakim]
- zakim, aacc is werner
- 12:03:54 [Zakim]
- +werner; got it
- 12:03:59 [veroniqueM]
- hi! I will not be able to join on the phone, other meetings going on at the same time, but I will follow on IRC
- 12:04:09 [joakim]
- hi welcome!
- 12:04:59 [pchampin]
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- 12:05:42 [joakim]
- zakim, pick a victim
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- Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose werner
- 12:05:50 [joakim]
- zakim, pick a victim
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- Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose +46.1.07.19.aabb
- 12:06:11 [joakim]
- zakim, pick a victim
- 12:06:11 [Zakim]
- Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose ??P0
- 12:06:32 [joakim]
- zakim, pick a victim
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- Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose ??P1
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- +Thierry
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- 12:07:41 [florian]
- scribe: florian
- 12:07:43 [joakim]
- Scribe: Florian
- 12:08:06 [joakim]
- http://www.w3.org/2009/06/02-mediaann-minutes.html
- 12:08:25 [florian]
- minutes accepted
- 12:08:40 [florian]
- next telecon: 16.06
- 12:09:18 [Zakim]
- +??P13
- 12:09:22 [florian]
- no telecon at 23.06. because of he F2F in Stockholm
- 12:10:10 [Zakim]
- + +95177aadd
- 12:10:18 [joakim]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jun/0018.html
- 12:10:22 [pchampin]
- zakim, aadd is me
- 12:10:22 [Zakim]
- +pchampin; got it
- 12:10:48 [joakim]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jun/0018.html
- 12:11:19 [joakim]
- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open
- 12:12:10 [florian]
- ACTION-43: ongoing
- 12:12:10 [trackbot]
- ACTION-43 Check XMP rating notes added
- 12:12:24 [florian]
- ACTION-47: ongoing
- 12:12:24 [trackbot]
- ACTION-47 And Frank to investiage existing approach for setting metadata on a "metamodel level" (or "ontology level") notes added
- 12:14:32 [florian]
- Joakim: wants to know the meaning of Action-105
- 12:15:06 [florian]
- Wonsuk: coming up with some vocabulary, terminology, ...
- 12:15:30 [florian]
- ACTION-105: ongoing
- 12:15:30 [trackbot]
- ACTION-105 Daniel to ask members for the definition of contributor types notes added
- 12:16:22 [florian]
- Joakim: is not sure whether the requirements document is updated as mentioned in Action-121
- 12:16:55 [florian]
- Thierry: allready updated
- 12:17:34 [florian]
- Joakim: there are linking problems to the right version of the document
- 12:17:45 [pchampin]
- shouldn't the link point to the "latest version" URI?
- 12:18:01 [florian]
- Thierry: make the change
- 12:18:38 [daniel]
- linked page in MAWG page is 20090119 version, so needs to be updated in our web page
- 12:18:57 [florian]
- ACTION-121: ongoing
- 12:18:57 [trackbot]
- ACTION-121 Remind doug to publish requirements document notes added
- 12:19:12 [florian]
- ACTION-122: close
- 12:19:12 [trackbot]
- ACTION-122 Talk to with Phillipe about the delay of the publication notes added
- 12:19:34 [florian]
- close ACTION-122
- 12:19:35 [trackbot]
- ACTION-122 Talk to with Phillipe about the delay of the publication closed
- 12:20:05 [florian]
- next item: Initial draft of "Ontology for Media Entity 1.0"
- 12:20:23 [florian]
- Wonsuk: veronique applied comments to the initial document
- 12:20:36 [wonsuk]
- http://tinyurl.com/m4vlrj
- 12:20:53 [tmichel]
- Use Cases and Requirements link on http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/
- 12:21:23 [florian]
- Wonsuk: change of the title of section 2
- 12:21:52 [florian]
- ... added "complex" property value type
- 12:21:56 [tmichel]
- ... now updated to http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-media-annot-reqs-20090604
- 12:22:22 [florian]
- ... introduction changed to the comments of veronique
- 12:23:03 [veroniqueM]
- I also changed other sections...
- 12:23:14 [florian]
- ... moved the mapping expression
- 12:23:16 [veroniqueM]
- according to the proposition I sent on the mailing list last week
- 12:23:58 [florian]
- ... all the differences can be found in http://tinyurl.com/m4vlrj
- 12:24:21 [florian]
- Joakim: Section 3.2. only a table with editorial notes?
- 12:24:34 [florian]
- Wonsuk: should we add descriptions?
- 12:26:07 [florian]
- ... descriptions should be added in a second version
- 12:26:18 [florian]
- joakim: this section only a placeholder?
- 12:26:44 [florian]
- felix: columns in the tables are missing (semantic mapping)
- 12:26:56 [florian]
- ... syntactic level mapping are missing
- 12:27:48 [joakim]
- zakim, who is noisy?
- 12:27:59 [Zakim]
- joakim, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +049851509aaaa (45%), werner (64%), Felix (15%), Thierry (10%)
- 12:28:14 [joakim]
- mute aaaa
- 12:28:23 [florian]
- Werner: first looking at standards (for datatypes), than adopt thema, than specify the mapping
- 12:28:29 [pchampin]
- zakim, mute aaaa
- 12:28:29 [Zakim]
- +049851509aaaa should now be muted
- 12:29:00 [florian]
- zakim, aaaa is me
- 12:29:00 [Zakim]
- +florian; got it
- 12:31:00 [florian]
- Felix: we need syntactic level mapping
- 12:31:21 [florian]
- ... accordiung datatypes in existing formats
- 12:31:56 [pchampin]
- or "comma separated list of values" vs. actual multiple values
- 12:32:46 [florian]
- Felix: extending the information in a similar way in a next draft like in CableLabs 1.1
- 12:33:42 [fsasaki]
- action - everybody responsible for a format: add a column describing syntactic information ("data types", see cable lab column "Type") to his table
- 12:33:42 [trackbot]
- Sorry, couldn't find user - -
- 12:34:37 [joakim]
- werner?
- 12:35:23 [florian]
- Werner: agrees with the need for choosing the datatypes based on used datatypes in other standards
- 12:35:28 [joakim]
- +1
- 12:35:29 [tobias]
- +1 for Werner
- 12:35:37 [florian]
- Felix: +1 for Werner
- 12:35:39 [florian]
- +1
- 12:35:44 [wonsuk]
- +1
- 12:35:50 [pchampin]
- +1
- 12:36:13 [florian]
- action: Felix to check - everybody responsible for a format: add a column describing syntactic information ("data types", see cable lab column "Type") to his table
- 12:36:13 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-124 - Check - everybody responsible for a format: add a column describing syntactic information ("data types", see cable lab column "Type") to his table [on Felix Sasaki - due 2009-06-16].
- 12:37:07 [florian]
- joakim: is this version of ontology draft close for publishment?
- 12:37:26 [florian]
- Wonsuk: initial version of mapping table should be checked by Thierry
- 12:37:48 [daniel]
- let's go for the publication as quick as possible to get further feedbacks from outside experts
- 12:37:56 [florian]
- +1 for daniel
- 12:39:03 [florian]
- Thierry: will check the document and discuss it offline with Wonsuk
- 12:39:57 [florian]
- Joakim: publishment of the document possible till friday?
- 12:40:11 [florian]
- ... document needs to be varified by the w3c
- 12:40:26 [florian]
- ???: different things to do in order to publish
- 12:40:39 [florian]
- ... xhtml validation
- 12:40:39 [tobias]
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- ... no broken links in the document
- 12:41:29 [florian]
- ... comeing up with a list of TODOs on the ontology draft
- 12:41:48 [florian]
- ... publications only on tuesday and thursday (request one day before)
- 12:43:03 [pchampin]
- s/???/Thierry
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- 12:44:18 [florian]
- Joakim: after Thierries comments we will publish the document
- 12:44:53 [florian]
- Joakim: make recordings for an improvement of the first version of the ontology doc
- 12:45:52 [florian]
- Werner: the last comment of veronique remainded on the discussion of the last F2F where we thought about several layers of complexity
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- +1 for Werner
- 12:46:03 [fsasaki]
- +1 to werner
- 12:46:16 [florian]
- ... better uzsage for reasoning and usability
- 12:47:12 [florian]
- ... add note that more formal defintiions will come up in next versions of the draft, oerhaps in the introduction or ion the property section list
- 12:47:49 [florian]
- Wonsuk: agrees with Werner, add this description to the property section
- 12:49:11 [florian]
- unmute me
- 12:49:16 [florian]
- Zakim, unmute me
- 12:49:16 [Zakim]
- florian should no longer be muted
- 12:50:54 [florian]
- action: Florian make wiki page for the improvements of the ontology document (type column, ...)
- 12:50:54 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-125 - Make wiki page for the improvements of the ontology document (type column, ...) [on Florian Stegmaier - due 2009-06-16].
- 12:52:32 [florian]
- Florian: will try to summarize rthe open issues in a wiki page for the F2F in Stockholm
- 12:54:26 [florian]
- Felix: wants to define a serialization for properties
- 12:54:46 [florian]
- Joakim: out of scope from the goals of our group
- 12:55:17 [joakim]
- s/ Joakim Werner
- 12:55:45 [wonsuk]
- s/Joakim/Werner
- 12:55:52 [joakim]
- no problem :-)
- 12:56:47 [Zakim]
- -werner
- 12:56:55 [fsasaki]
- Felix: I am worried that others will just define one or several serializations, so better we do it before
- 12:57:31 [joakim]
- AOBs?
- 12:57:35 [fsasaki]
- Felix: functionality for setting properties in existing formats and their serialization might not always possible
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- -??P1
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- -florian
- 12:57:54 [pchampin]
- bye
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- -Felix
- 12:57:56 [Zakim]
- -Thierry
- 12:57:59 [wonsuk]
- bye~
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- -??P0
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- -pchampin
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- 12:58:19 [Zakim]
- -wonsuk
- 12:58:32 [joakim]
- thanks editors for the good work!
- 12:59:00 [joakim]
- yeahm you did good
- 12:59:11 [joakim]
- s/yeahm/yeah
- 12:59:22 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/06/09-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
- 12:59:43 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/06/09-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
- 12:59:43 [joakim]
- Then you should email the link to the list please!
- 13:00:14 [joakim]
- ok thanks, see you!
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- - +46.1.07.19.aabb
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- IA_MAWG()8:00AM has ended
- 13:00:39 [Zakim]
- Attendees were +049851509aaaa, +46.1.07.19.aabb, wonsuk, +0436991876aacc, werner, Thierry, Felix, +95177aadd, pchampin, florian
- 13:01:03 [florian]
- bye everybody!
- 13:01:07 [florian]
- have a nice week!
- 13:01:16 [fsasaki]
- present: daniel, florian, werner, joakim, tmichel, tobias, veronique, felix, wonsuk, pchampin
- 13:01:23 [fsasaki]
- meeting: MAWG
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- chair: joakim
- 13:01:33 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/06/09-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
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