<trackbot> Date: 13 May 2009

<scribe> Scribe: Steven

RDFa

Steven: Google has announced support for RDFa

<Tina2> I'm having a hard time getting through on the phone :(

Steven: I have created a tutorial, I'd be happy for input

http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/rdfa-for-html-authors#Further

Roland: We need some more examples of Vocabularies

Steven: I agree, though at the end you'll see links to example vocabularies

Roland: What about geo?

Steven: It's a subpart of a couple of them; I could point that out

Roland: I think it's a good use case

Steven: I agree on the need for more examples, and I will be adding them

Gregory: What I need to do is to proselytize the use of RDFa for accessibility
... maybe this should be an appendix

Roland: The best way is to use it in an exemplary manner, and point to the pages

Steven: The W3C teeam has a big discussion on this tomorrow, plus a blog entry

Gregory: I would like to a DTD for XHTML 1.1+RDFa+Aria
... +role

Shane: We do have that already
... if you set your doctype to use it though, some UAs don't recognise it properly as XHTML
... in particular entities don't work
... However, we do have it

<scribe> ACTION: Shane to send pointer to DTD of 1.1+RDFa+Aria+role [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-xhtml-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-82 - Send pointer to DTD of 1.1+RDFa+Aria+role [on Shane McCarron - due 2009-05-20].

<ShaneM> (and it is called XHTML 1.2)

Gregory: Accessibility UAs at the moment only key off of @lang, but I'm hoping we can deprecate that in the long run.
... in favour of xml:lang

Steven: The newest DTDs support both, so the freedom is there to allow that to happen

Gregory: I note that the current validator supports RDFa, and I have been using it
... nice that it has its own icon for RDFa
... good for raising awareness

Shane: I am already adding the Google stuff to our website
... RDFa in HTML is the next step

Steven: Not in our charter, so we have to negotiate that

Gregory: Sam Ruby has an action item to get together with Steven and Roland to talk about convergence
... WHATWG HTML5 people seem to be allergic to "invisible" metadata.
... I have been trying to defend @summary for instance
... it is not evil, or championing a particular group of people
... WAI PF will need a new co-chair soon
... we need @role in HTML5
... though we are still battling to keep the things in HTML5 that were added to HTML4 for accessibility
... I am personally not being taken seriously by all the of the HTML5 WG

Shane: We need to take access to last call again now
... and CURIES need to progress.
... Those are our top two tasks

Gregory: We said that May 29th was the deadline for end of last call of access

Steven: I'm afraid I didn't get it out in time

Gregory: I am maintaining a wiki for each module

http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/XHTML2/i18n

Gregory: You'll see links to resolutions and Issues

Steven: Great stuff

Shane: It is good to have areas around role and access in the XHTML2 area
... but we don't want to conflate them, they are independent of XHTML2

Steven: I've been thinking about unbinding more of the modules, such as the hypertext module, maybe embedding too.
... I saw a blog declaiming href everywhere, and he had even implemented it in javascript

Shane: There is substantial overhead to creating new documents

Steven: True

Gregory: I think the Backplane XG would be interested in the hypertext module
... The object module would be great too
... HTML5 is replacing object with individual media elements, unfortunately

Shane: I think Modularization 2 does much of this

Roland: Depends on how self-contained the modules are

Shane: I think we have that now. Each module is a free-standing thing

Roland: If that is the case, then good.

<ShaneM> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/ED-xhtml-modularization2-20090123/mod-embedding.html#s_embeddingmodule

Shane: There are side-effects when modules are used together
... but each module is still independent

AOB

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