SVG Working Group Teleconference -- 04 Dec 2008

<trackbot> Date: 04 December 2008

<scribe> scribe: anthony

Welcome Mozilla

ED: JWatt will be representing Mozilla on the group

DS: He'll be on the telcons next week

Selectors API

ED: Anthony did you have time to review it

AG: No I haven't actually

DS: They will be happy with an earlier review

AG: Yes, we should send it ASAP

DS: I talk to Lachlan about the namespaces stuff
... rational for dropping it was one implementation and some there some issues with it
... so all browsers will the non name spaces version implemented
... it's more important that they are more interoperable
... my recommendation is that we ask them if namespaces can be added in later version
... and make changes that Erik recommends
... we prefer but not insist that namespaces be added in

ED: You are talking about NSResolver?

DS: Yes

ED: Don't think the problems will be any smaller if its added later
... if they mention DOM3 Xpath in the next version, I'd be ok with that

Doug to Gather together the selectors API comments

<scribe> ACTION: Doug to Gather together the selectors API comments [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/04-svg-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2371 - Gather together the selectors API comments [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-12-11].

<shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml

<ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008OctDec/0413.html

Errata Review

<ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#clippath-pointer-events

ED: There was an email saying that the clipping-and-pointer errata was completed

DS: I posted a note to the list
... and Helder who followed up on this seems to be satisfied

CM: One minor wording suggestion
... maybe I'd use a word different from "occluded"

DS: We could just say "clipped parts of the element"

CM: Or clipped

DS: I was using "clipped" a lot
... looking at the word "occlude" in the dictionary says to block off or conceal

ED: One thing I'm wondering is it doesn't seem to add anything to the pointer events section
... should it do that?

DS: I don't think so
... We could say something in pointer events

ED: Do we mention masking there?

DS: Good point I don't think we mention what happens with masking

<ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#capturing-pointer-events-zero-opacity

ED: Oh wait we do have one errata item about masking

DS: Chris was pushing for the "does not affect" wording

CM: The resolution is much clearer

DS: I think we should change the wording to what's in the resolution
... it's more clearer

ED: I agree

<shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#capturing-pointer-events-zero-opacity

<scribe> ACTION: Doug to Propose revised wording for the errata item "Capturing pointer-events with a zero opacity mask" to clarify it with clip-path [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/04-svg-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2372 - Propose revised wording for the errata item \"Capturing pointer-events with a zero opacity mask\" to clarify it with clip-path [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-12-11].

DS: You could have a mask and a clip path

ED: So you want to combine the two errata items?

DS: Not combine by differentiate the two

ED: I'd like to see some wording in the pointer events section

DS: That's what I'm going to do, is add wording to the pointer events section that talks about masks and clip-path

http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#svgzoomevent-zoomrectscreen

AG: So this one here looks like it's completed

DS: For each of the errata that we move to proposed we need to make a test for

ED: We should make the tests so that they follow the standard template
... currently there are some tests that don't follow the standard template
... we'll have to convert the tests so they follow the template
... so we can put them in the test directory but just keep them in draft

DS: Did we want to have tests for each errata item. Because on one hand it may slow us down but on the other it will ensure interopability
... so I'll make up tests for clip-path and mask

CM: Do we want to divide up the other items

AG: There are some tests from the old archive need to be shifted over

ED: We should move over the test template as well
... we have some tests in Tiny 1.2 that cover items in the errata
... we can use those
... the problem is what number do we give them?

DS: "11-"

ED: We could just keep the same number as in 1.2 Tiny
... One of the changes would to change xml:id to id
... or we could make a new template using SVG Fonts

DS: Another issue is that some of the tests for SVG Tiny 1.2 may not be approved

CM: I don't remember how different the templates are

ED: The old template uses Doctype, doesn't use SVG Fonts
... also I don't think it had the same status values

DS: Are there any technical reasons to not use the new template?

AG: So the question is do keep the new tests separate from the original archive or will they be combined?

ED: I think we'd make a new release of the new test suite
... I don't think the 1.2 Tiny template would be that bad if we used it
... it's not too hard to change I think
... the only thing then would be stripping the xml:id and copying the SVG Fonts
... or we could do it the easy way and using what we had for the 1.1 test suite
... would it be a good idea to move the old test suite to the new repository?
... we need to keep the same revision number that is in the old repository

DS: Mike Smith can do it

<ed> so move all of http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/testsuite/1.1/ to the new location http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/

AG: Do you want me to add tests from the errata in the old archive to the new archive?

DS: Sure

<heycam> ACTION: Obama to implement change we can believe in [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/04-svg-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Obama

<ed> trackbot: YES YOU CAN! ;D

<trackbot> Sorry, ed, I don't understand 'trackbot: YES YOU CAN! ;D'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help

<scribe> ACTION: Doug to Ask Mike Smith to move the tests from old archive to the new archive [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/04-svg-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2373 - Ask Mike Smith to move the tests from old archive to the new archive [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-12-11].

<scribe> ACTION: Doug to Make pointer event tests [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/04-svg-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2374 - Make pointer event tests [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-12-11].

DS: Need to be careful that some tests could be testing for fonts on the host and not SVG Fonts
... it's think it is smart to change the tests over if you have time
... just need to be careful

ED: I think the new 1.2T template that has status and draft would be more useful

DS: There are some changes that I'd like to make
... so links back to assertions in spec
... and the status, approved, one of them was confusing
... If Mike moves the tests over then we'll loose the revision number?

CM: We'll still keep the history of the file

http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/errata/test-cases/

RESOLUTION: The SVG Full 1.1 2nd Edition Tests will use the SVG Tiny 1.2 Test Suite template with some minor modifications

<scribe> ACTION: Anthony to Create an SVG Full 1.1 2nd Edition Test Suite template from the SVG Tiny 1.2 Test Suite template [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/04-svg-minutes.html#action06]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2375 - Create an SVG Full 1.1 2nd Edition Test Suite template from the SVG Tiny 1.2 Test Suite template [on Anthony Grasso - due 2008-12-11].

http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#svgzoomevent-zoomrectscreen

AG: This was reported by JWatt, so not sure if we want to wait until he can make the call

DS: Might be good to wait for him

http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#reword-f5-tangents

<ed> ACTION-2362

ED: This is the action that relates to the errata item

AG: That Action number should go into the errata
... I guess we can close off the old action and stick in the new one underneath

http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#currenttranslate-currentscale-nested-svg

<ed> ACTION-2368

ACTION-2368?

<trackbot> ACTION-2368 -- Doug Schepers to propose wording for the change that addresses the errata item Current Translate Current Scale on nested SVG -- due 2008-12-08 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2368

AG: I'll add that action to the errata item

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SVG Working Group Teleconference

04 Dec 2008

Attendees

Contents

Welcome Mozilla

Selectors API

Errata Review

Summary of Action Items

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