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<scribe> ACTION: Wilhelm to send a list of existing performance tests for analysis [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action01] [DONE]
<dom_scribe> Wilhelm's list
Dom: any one had a chance to run them on a mobile browser?
Wilhelm: barely started; did dromaeo on one device, which ran out of memory
Kai: couldn't run v8 on my iphone
<scribe> ACTION: Dom to run the performances test on a few devices [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-minutes.html#action02]
<scribe> ACTION: Wilhelm to run the performances test on a few devices [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-minutes.html#action03]
<scribe> ACTION: Kai to run the performances test on a few devices and report back to the list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-minutes.html#action04]
<scribe> ACTION: Carmelo to start a draft of guidelines on writing device independent test cases [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action02] [ONGOING]
Carmelo: the QA WG started something along these lines; will use that as a starting point
Kai: Ian Hickson's CSS test guidelines is also a good starting point
http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Test/guidelines.html
<scribe> ACTION: Kai to contact editor of Widgets packaging spec to see if testing is appropriate [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action03] [DONE]
Kai: Markus (the editor) is quite busy - some parts of the spec is stable and possibly testable, but it is still very much up in the air
<Carmelo> Quality Assurance Group Document http://www.w3.org/TR/test-metadata/
Kai: would make a good
deliverable later on - probably in the November timeframe
... this would fit well in my job assignments
Dom: ok, bring it back to the group when you think this is ready for testing, then?
kai: will do
<scribe> ACTION: Wilhelm to look into opera's test suites for cookies [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action04] [ONGOING]
Wilhelm: we do have a test suite - I'm looking into making it public (after cleaning up)
<scribe> ACTION: Kai to look into testing for plugin support [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action05] [DONE]
<dom_scribe> Kai on plugin support
Dom: seems a bit complicated to test for support of installation/download of plugins
Kai: indeed, getting the plugin
installed seems to be difficult
... the test itself is easy - but there is almost a political
question of whether to push for plugins
... plugins can bring both the best and the worse to the
Web
Wilhelm: my personal opinion is
that plugins in many cases allow proprietary lock-in instead of
open standards
... e.g. flash video instead of <video>
Kai: agreed, although video on
the web exists mostly through flash video
... Opera does support Gears, for instance, right?
Wilhelm: we often have troubles with plugin vendors
Kai: part of our mission in Aplix is to deploy functionalities that are not available in browsers
Wilhelm: we use a similar approach to access hardware capabilities
Dom: it would be hard to develop a plugin installable on any platform, right?
Kai: we do it
<scribe> ACTION: Dom to look closer at the plugin support test [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-minutes.html#action09]