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14:35:52 <dom> Zakim, this will be TS
14:36:10 <dom> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Sep/0005.html
14:36:12 <dom> Chair: Dom
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14:59:01 <hendry> ok
14:59:25 <Zakim> MWI_TSWG()11:00AM has now started
14:59:32 <Zakim> +Wilhelm
14:59:49 <Zakim> +??P44
15:00:01 <dom> zakim, code?
15:00:07 <Zakim> the conference code is 8794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), dom
15:00:21 <Zakim> +dom
15:00:37 <dom> zakim, ??P44 is Kai
15:00:37 <Zakim> +Kai; got it
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15:02:58 <Zakim> +Dmitri
15:03:06 <Zakim> +Carmelo
15:03:06 <dom> Topic: Performance tests
15:03:30 <dom> ACTION: Wilhelm to send a list of existing performance tests for analysis [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action01] [DONE]
15:03:40 <dom> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Sep/0003.html Wilhelm's list
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15:03:58 <dom> Dom: any one had a chance to run them on a mobile browser?
15:04:24 <dom> Wilhelm: barely started; did dromaeo on one device, which ran out of memory
15:04:31 <dom> Kai: couldn't run v8 on my iphone
15:05:30 <dom> ACTION: Dom to run the performances test on a few devices
15:05:37 <dom> ACTION: Wilhelm to run the performances test on a few devices
15:06:10 <dom> ACTION: Kai to run the performances test on a few devices and report back to the list
15:06:33 <dom> Topic: Guidelines on writing Device Independent test cases
15:06:44 <dom> ACTION: Carmelo to start a draft of guidelines on writing device independent test cases [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action02] [ONGOING]
15:07:02 <dom> Carmelo: the QA WG started something along these lines; will use that as a starting point
15:07:55 <dom> Kai: Ian Hickson's CSS test guidelines is also a good starting point
15:08:17 <dom> http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Test/guidelines.html
15:08:40 <dom> Topic: Testing Widgets?
15:08:55 <dom> ACTION: Kai to contact editor of Widgets packaging spec to see if testing is appropriate [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action03] [DONE]
15:09:41 <dom> Kai: Markus (the editor) is quite busy - some parts of the spec is stable and possibly testable, but it is still very much up in the air
15:10:00 <Carmelo> Quality Assurance Group Document http://www.w3.org/TR/test-metadata/
15:10:26 <dom> ... would make a good deliverable later on - probably in the November timeframe
15:10:44 <dom> ... this would fit well in my job assignments
15:11:58 <dom> Dom: ok, bring it back to the group when you think this is ready for testing, then?
15:11:59 <dom> kai: will do
15:12:09 <dom> Topic: Testing cookies support
15:12:49 <dom> ACTION: Wilhelm to look into opera's test suites for cookies [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action04] [ONGOING]
15:13:12 <dom> Wilhelm: we do have a test suite - I'm looking into making it public (after cleaning up)
15:13:46 <dom> Topic: Testing plugin support?
15:13:53 <dom> ACTION: Kai to look into testing for plugin support [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action05] [DONE]
15:14:09 <dom> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Sep/0006.html Kai on plugin support
15:15:38 <dom> Dom: seems a bit complicated to test for support of installation/download of plugins
15:15:59 <dom> Kai: indeed, getting the plugin installed seems to be difficult
15:16:45 <dom> ... the test itself is easy - but there is almost a political question of whether to push for plugins
15:17:36 <dom> ... plugins can bring both the best and the worse to the Web
15:18:43 <dom> Wilhelm: my personal opinion is that plugins in many cases allow proprietary lock-in instead of open standards
15:18:58 <dom> ... e.g. flash video instead of <video>
15:19:21 <dom> Kai: agreed, although video on the web exists mostly through flash video
15:19:43 <dom> ... Opera does support Gears, for instance, right?
15:19:57 <dom> Wilhelm: we often have troubles with plugin vendors
15:21:08 <dom> Kai: part of our mission in Aplix is to deploy functionalities that are not available in browsers
15:21:32 <dom> Wilhelm: we use a similar approach to access hardware capabilities
15:24:03 <dom> Dom: it would be hard to develop a plugin installable on any platform, right?
15:24:07 <dom> Kai: we do it
15:26:00 <dom> ACTION: Dom to look closer at the plugin support test
15:27:18 <Zakim> -Carmelo
15:27:19 <Zakim> -Kai
15:27:20 <Zakim> -dom
15:27:21 <Zakim> -Dmitri
15:27:22 <Zakim> -Wilhelm
15:27:22 <Zakim> MWI_TSWG()11:00AM has ended
15:27:24 <Zakim> Attendees were Wilhelm, dom, Kai, Dmitri, Carmelo
15:27:30 <dom> zakim, bye
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15:27:34 <dom> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:27:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-minutes.html dom
15:31:51 <dom> s/<dom> ->/<dom_scribe> ->/
15:31:53 <dom> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:31:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-minutes.html dom
15:32:19 <dom> s/<dom> ->/<dom_scribe> ->/g
15:32:20 <dom> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:32:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-minutes.html dom
15:32:38 <dom> Meeting: MWI Test Suites Working Group teleconf
15:32:39 <dom> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:32:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-minutes.html dom
15:35:55 <dom> RRSAgent, bye
15:35:55 <RRSAgent> I see 9 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-actions.rdf :
15:35:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Wilhelm to send a list of existing performance tests for analysis [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action01] [DONE] [1]
15:35:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-irc#T15-03-30
15:35:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Dom to run the performances test on a few devices [2]
15:35:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-irc#T15-05-30
15:35:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Wilhelm to run the performances test on a few devices [3]
15:35:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-irc#T15-05-37
15:35:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Kai to run the performances test on a few devices and report back to the list [4]
15:35:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-irc#T15-06-10
15:35:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Carmelo to start a draft of guidelines on writing device independent test cases [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action02] [ONGOING] [5]
15:35:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-irc#T15-06-44
15:35:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Kai to contact editor of Widgets packaging spec to see if testing is appropriate [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action03] [DONE] [6]
15:35:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-irc#T15-08-55
15:35:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Wilhelm to look into opera's test suites for cookies [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action04] [ONGOING] [7]
15:35:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-irc#T15-12-49
15:35:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Kai to look into testing for plugin support [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action05] [DONE] [8]
15:35:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-irc#T15-13-53
15:35:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Dom to look closer at the plugin support test [9]
15:35:55 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-irc#T15-26-00