IRC log of mwts on 2008-09-09

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RRSAgent, make log public

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Zakim, this will be TS

14:35:52 [Zakim]

ok, dom; I see MWI_TSWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 25 minutes

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Meeting: MWI Test Suites Working Group teleconf

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Sep/0005.html

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Chair: Dom

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ok

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MWI_TSWG()11:00AM has now started

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+Wilhelm

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+??P44

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zakim, code?

15:00:07 [Zakim]

the conference code is 8794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), dom

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+dom

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zakim, ??P44 is Kai

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+Kai; got it

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+Dmitri

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+Carmelo

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Topic: Performance tests

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ACTION: Wilhelm to send a list of existing performance tests for analysis [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action01] [DONE]

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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Sep/0003.html Wilhelm's list

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Dom: any one had a chance to run them on a mobile browser?

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Wilhelm: barely started; did dromaeo on one device, which ran out of memory

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Kai: couldn't run v8 on my iphone

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ACTION: Dom to run the performances test on a few devices

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ACTION: Wilhelm to run the performances test on a few devices

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ACTION: Kai to run the performances test on a few devices and report back to the list

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Topic: Guidelines on writing Device Independent test cases

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ACTION: Carmelo to start a draft of guidelines on writing device independent test cases [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action02] [ONGOING]

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Carmelo: the QA WG started something along these lines; will use that as a starting point

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Kai: Ian Hickson's CSS test guidelines is also a good starting point

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http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Test/guidelines.html

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Topic: Testing Widgets?

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ACTION: Kai to contact editor of Widgets packaging spec to see if testing is appropriate [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action03] [DONE]

15:09:41 [dom]

Kai: Markus (the editor) is quite busy - some parts of the spec is stable and possibly testable, but it is still very much up in the air

15:10:00 [Carmelo]

Quality Assurance Group Document http://www.w3.org/TR/test-metadata/

15:10:26 [dom]

... would make a good deliverable later on - probably in the November timeframe

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... this would fit well in my job assignments

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Dom: ok, bring it back to the group when you think this is ready for testing, then?

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kai: will do

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Topic: Testing cookies support

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ACTION: Wilhelm to look into opera's test suites for cookies [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action04] [ONGOING]

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Wilhelm: we do have a test suite - I'm looking into making it public (after cleaning up)

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Topic: Testing plugin support?

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ACTION: Kai to look into testing for plugin support [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action05] [DONE]

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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Sep/0006.html Kai on plugin support

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Dom: seems a bit complicated to test for support of installation/download of plugins

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Kai: indeed, getting the plugin installed seems to be difficult

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... the test itself is easy - but there is almost a political question of whether to push for plugins

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... plugins can bring both the best and the worse to the Web

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Wilhelm: my personal opinion is that plugins in many cases allow proprietary lock-in instead of open standards

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... e.g. flash video instead of <video>

15:19:21 [dom]

Kai: agreed, although video on the web exists mostly through flash video

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... Opera does support Gears, for instance, right?

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Wilhelm: we often have troubles with plugin vendors

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Kai: part of our mission in Aplix is to deploy functionalities that are not available in browsers

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Wilhelm: we use a similar approach to access hardware capabilities

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Dom: it would be hard to develop a plugin installable on any platform, right?

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Kai: we do it

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ACTION: Dom to look closer at the plugin support test

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-Carmelo

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-Kai

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-dom

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-Dmitri

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-Wilhelm

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MWI_TSWG()11:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Wilhelm, dom, Kai, Dmitri, Carmelo

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zakim, bye

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RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-minutes.html dom

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RRSAgent, draft minutes

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RRSAgent, draft minutes

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Meeting: MWI Test Suites Working Group teleconf

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RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-minutes.html dom

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RRSAgent, bye

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I see 9 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: Wilhelm to send a list of existing performance tests for analysis [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action01] [DONE] [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-irc#T15-03-30

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ACTION: Dom to run the performances test on a few devices [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-irc#T15-05-30

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ACTION: Wilhelm to run the performances test on a few devices [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-irc#T15-05-37

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ACTION: Kai to run the performances test on a few devices and report back to the list [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-irc#T15-06-10

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ACTION: Carmelo to start a draft of guidelines on writing device independent test cases [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action02] [ONGOING] [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-irc#T15-06-44

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ACTION: Kai to contact editor of Widgets packaging spec to see if testing is appropriate [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action03] [DONE] [6]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-irc#T15-08-55

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ACTION: Wilhelm to look into opera's test suites for cookies [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action04] [ONGOING] [7]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-irc#T15-12-49

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ACTION: Kai to look into testing for plugin support [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/02-mwts-minutes.html#action05] [DONE] [8]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-irc#T15-13-53

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ACTION: Dom to look closer at the plugin support test [9]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-mwts-irc#T15-26-00