HCLS -- 04 Sep 2008

+1.919.681.aacc is TedBasher

<John_M> 1.919.681.aacc is John_M

<John_M> ericP, my room is noisy – how do I mute my line?

<John_M> that worked

<scribe> Scribe: ericP

<holger_stenzhorn> -q

TedBasher: working in a SW consulting firm -- wanted to sit in

AGibson: interested in molecular biology modeling

Introductions

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Clinical Decision Support Project

chime: most commercial clinical support systems do not provide decision support at the point of care

<matthiassamwald> (sorry for being late)

chime: need to capture a broad range of clinical information
... as an example, significance of changing lab test results
... a system could be active: alerts physician with relevent patients
... or passive: physician queries
... Helen Chen, with AACP, researched representing clinical guidelines in RDF
... was a big initiative on this in the 70s
... was a bit catalyst for dev'ing AI systems for support in clinical care
... SW has the ability to link info, and other features. need to demo the value of RDF for this

Susie: with my pharma hat on, i see this as important for Lilly and other pharmas

Chime: makes a good use case for liason with OWL and RIF groups
... a lot of what we've looked at are represented well by ontologies and rules

mscottm: any potential in the RIF activities where poeple are mergine DL into rules?
... benifit to expressing them in the same lang?

chime: plenty of literature showing that one alone is not sufficient, but that together they work well

mscottm: existing systems to kick off the process?

chime: partner's has looked at this. shoudl contact TonyaH

susie: next steps to start this activity?

chime: anyone who is interested should sign up on the wiki page
... anyone with use cases, please record them

-> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG/Project_Ideas/DecisionSupportRuleLanguages Clinical Decision Support Project

Terminologies Update

<mscottm> Can't hear too well..

John_M: holger and i had discussions of this
... have an RDF representaiton of a part of snomed
... please feel free to query

-> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG/Terminology Terminologies TF

John_M: SNOMED isa relationships are mapped to RDFS subClassOf

<John_M> http://tarski.duhs.org:8080/opendrdf-sesame/repositories/SNOMED

John_M: representations as .en strings are linked with appropriate SKOS arcs
... expressing existing onts like SNOMED is more a question of interpretation than translation

-> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG/Terminology/MappingHealthCareTerminologyToOWL/ThreeOptionsForMapping Three Options page

John_M: a lot of med knowledge is stored in document schemas
... i.e. that the knowledge is dependent on the document context
... considering GRDDL and things like that

Susie: it sounds like once you pick an approach, the desions would make a good paper

mscottm: appreciated the idea that you were doing a "renderining of SNOMED in RDF"

John_M: in RDF/OWL, properties are instances, not classes
... in SNOMED, everything is a concept and all these hierarchies are expressed as ISA
... this is an example of a big change that you need to do to interpret SNOMED
... as you go from less expressive formalisims to more expressive, you have to apply your interpretation

Susie: what can we [the HCLS group] do for you?

John_M: looking forward to giving a drug hierarchy to COI
... i think that this use case of health care terminology begs for named graphs
... can't inference across billions of triples

mscottm: we have used named graphs in HCLS

Susie: Kei has invited Olivier Bodenwriter to discuss expressing UMLS in the kb

John_M: great, were working in this area as well

F2F Agenda Update

Susie: agenda:
... .. intro to the group
... .. a couple keynotes from the area
... .. meeting time for the task forces
... .. strategic plans for the future
... .. updates from CDISC and HL7
... .. oureach activities
... .. .. updates from Karen Myers and Eric Neumann
... please register and sign up for the accomodations this week
... given that it's a new group, it's important to have f2f interaction, but will also provide dial-in

Helen: if we dial-in do we need to register

Susie: please send mail to team-hcls-chairs to let us know that you will dial in

Outreach Discussion (Conferences, Media, Recruitment)

-> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG/Conferences outreach

<mscottm> ericP: outreach:

<mscottm> ... conferences, media, and recruitment

<mscottm> ... 15 different conferences, went through the list

<mscottm> ... put in links, date and location of next meeting

<mscottm> ... no paper deadline yet

<mscottm> ... we are giving a 4 hour tutorial at ISWC2008 (following another SW tutorial)

<michel> WWW2009 workshop submission deadline is October 10th, 2008

<mscottm> ...missed one

<mscottm> ... AMIA, annual symposium, Dec 8 - 12 in Washington, DC

<mscottm> ...Society for Neuroscience is also meeting in DC, December

<mscottm> ...correction AMIA is in November

<mscottm> Susie: this list is up for debate

<marco> ismb=intelligent systems for molecular biology, and it is together with eccb=european conference on computational biology

<mscottm> ...C-SHALS, ISWC, SemTech, Dagstuhl Data Integration meeting

<mscottm> DILS - Data Integration for the Life Sciences

<mscottm> ... PSB Pacific Symposium on Biology

<mscottm> ...Beyond Genome

<mscottm> ...InfoTech

<mscottm> ...DDT - Drug Discovery and Technology conference

<mscottm> ...WWW conference in Madrid, April next year

<mscottm> ... media - Do we have pages for those Susie?

-> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG/Media HCLS Media outreach opportunities

<mscottm> Susie: Yes, <..long list..>

-> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG/Recruitment (currently empty) Recruitment page

News updates on COI, BioRDF, LODD, SWANSIOC

Susie: BioRDF: asked holger and matthias to host the HCLS KB
... linking open data: Chris Bizer is looking at how LOD paradigms can be applied to this taask
... SWAN/SIOC: regular calls Fridays at 11 US Eastern

ericP: COI: we had a week off

AOB

Susie: who will be as ISWC?

<michel> maybe me

<michel> :-( i have no mic!

Susie: holger, ericP, Chris, michel dumontier?

<michel> Michel.

<michel> lol

<mscottm> lol

<michel> haha

susie: we get one pass. propose to give it to ericP

.NEXT CALL: 2 weeks

<matthiassamwald> bye

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