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15:01:42 <Zakim> +??P5
15:01:43 <Zakim> +EricP
15:01:46 <Zakim> + +1.317.435.aabb
15:01:50 <Zakim> + +1.919.681.aacc
15:02:20 <ericP> +1.919.681.aacc is TedBasher
15:02:23 <John_M> 1.919.681.aacc is John_M
15:02:36 <ericP> Zakim, ??P5 is holger_stenzhorn
15:02:36 <Zakim> +holger_stenzhorn; got it
15:02:41 <ericP> zakim, +1.919.681.aacc is TedBasher
15:02:41 <Zakim> +TedBasher; got it
15:02:56 <ericP> Zakim, who is here?
15:02:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P18 (muted), ??P22, mscottm, jkangash, EricP, holger_stenzhorn, +1.317.435.aabb, TedBasher
15:02:59 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, holger_stenzhorn, marco, John_M, mscottm, Huajun, AGibson, johnbreslin, ericP
15:03:02 <John_M> Zakim, +1.919.681.aacc is John_M
15:03:04 <Zakim> sorry, John_M, I do not recognize a party named '+1.919.681.aacc'
15:03:22 <Zakim> +Scott_Marshall
15:03:30 <ericP> Zakim, +1.317.435.aabb is Susie
15:03:31 <Zakim> +Susie; got it
15:03:42 <mscottm> Zakim, Scott_Marshall is marco
15:03:43 <Zakim> +marco; got it
15:04:25 <ericP> Zakim, TedBasher is really John_M 
15:04:25 <Zakim> +John_M; got it
15:04:29 <Zakim> +Jennifer
15:05:43 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:06:02 <ericP> Zakim, holger_stenzhorn is really TedBasher
15:06:02 <Zakim> +TedBasher; got it
15:06:02 <mscottm> Zakim, who is here?
15:06:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P18, ??P22, mscottm, jkangash, EricP, TedBasher, Susie, John_M, marco, Jennifer, [Microsoft]
15:06:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, holger_stenzhorn, marco, John_M, mscottm, Huajun, AGibson, johnbreslin, ericP
15:06:09 <holger_stenzhorn> zakim, v is holger_stenzhorn
15:06:09 <Zakim> sorry, holger_stenzhorn, I do not recognize a party named 'v'
15:06:22 <ericP> Zakim, ??P22 is holger_stenzhorn 
15:06:24 <Zakim> +holger_stenzhorn; got it
15:06:32 <John_M> ericP, my room is noisy – how do I mute my line?
15:06:34 <ericP> Zakim, ??P18 is AndrewG
15:06:34 <Zakim> +AndrewG; got it
15:06:44 <ericP> Zakim, who is here?
15:06:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see AndrewG, holger_stenzhorn, mscottm, jkangash, EricP, TedBasher, Susie, John_M, marco, Jennifer, [Microsoft]
15:06:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, holger_stenzhorn, marco, John_M, mscottm, Huajun, AGibson, johnbreslin, ericP
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15:07:10 <John_M> that worked
15:07:35 <ericP> Meeting: HCLS
15:07:42 <ericP> Chair: Susie
15:07:47 <ericP> Scribe: ericP
15:08:44 <Zakim> + +1.216.773.aadd
15:09:12 <ericP> agenda+ Introductions
15:09:12 <ericP> agenda+ Clinical Decision Support Project [Chime O.]
15:09:12 <ericP> agenda+ Terminologies Update [John M. (TBD)]
15:09:12 <ericP> agenda+ F2F Agenda Update [Susie S.]
15:09:12 <ericP> agenda+ Outreach Discussion  (Conferences, Media, Recruitment) [Eric P.]
15:09:15 <ericP> agenda+ News updates on COI, BioRDF, LODD, SWANSIOC
15:09:17 <ericP> agenda+ AOB
15:09:30 <AGibson> q+
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15:09:59 <holger_stenzhorn> -q
15:10:32 <ericP> TedBasher: working in a SW consulting firm -- wanted to sit in
15:10:42 <holger_stenzhorn> q-
15:10:57 <AGibson> q-
15:11:17 <ericP> AGibson: interested in molecular biology modeling
15:11:27 <ericP> Zakim, take up agendum 1
15:11:27 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Introductions" taken up [from ericP]
15:11:37 <ericP> Zakim, close this agendum
15:11:37 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, ericP
15:11:49 <ericP> ack ??P22
15:11:54 <ericP> Zakim, close this agendum
15:11:54 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
15:11:55 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:11:57 <Zakim> 2. Clinical Decision Support Project [from Chime O. via ericP]
15:12:01 <ericP> Zakim, take up next agendum
15:12:01 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Clinical Decision Support Project" taken up [from Chime O.]
15:12:19 <AGibson> zakim, mute agibson
15:12:19 <Zakim> sorry, AGibson, I do not know which phone connection belongs to agibson
15:12:22 <Zakim> +??P56
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15:12:33 <ericP> chime: most commercial clinical support systems do not provide decision support at the point of care
15:12:42 <matthiassamwald> (sorry for being late)
15:12:45 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:12:53 <ericP> ... need to capture a broad range of clinical information
15:12:59 <mscottm> Zakim, mute AndrewG
15:12:59 <Zakim> AndrewG should now be muted
15:13:29 <ericP> ... as an example, significance of changing lab test results
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15:13:58 <ericP> ... a system could be active: alerts physician with relevent patients
15:14:13 <ericP> ... or passive: physician queries
15:14:42 <ericP> ... Helen Chen, with AACP, researched representing clinical guidelines in RDF
15:15:23 <ericP> ... was a big initiative on this in the 70s
15:15:39 <ericP> ... was a bit catalyst for dev'ing AI systems for support in clinical care
15:16:33 <ericP> ... SW has the ability to link info, and other features. need to demo the value of RDF for this
15:17:01 <ericP> Susie: with my pharma hat on, i see this as important for Lilly and other pharmas
15:17:20 <mscottm> q+
15:17:25 <ericP> Chime: makes a good use case for liason with OWL and RIF groups
15:17:50 <ericP> ... a lot of what we've looked at are represented well by ontologies and rules
15:18:46 <ericP> mscottm: any potential in the RIF activities where poeple are mergine DL into rules?
15:19:01 <ericP> ... benifit to expressing them in the same lang?
15:19:34 <ericP> chime: plenty of literature showing that one alone is not sufficient, but that together they work well
15:19:50 <ericP> mscottm: existing systems to kick off the process?
15:20:13 <ericP> chime: partner's has looked at this. shoudl contact TonyaH
15:20:26 <ericP> susie: next steps to start this activity?
15:20:39 <ericP> chime: anyone who is interested should sign up on the wiki page
15:20:56 <ericP> ... anyone with use cases, please record them
15:21:23 <Zakim> - +1.216.773.aadd
15:21:33 <ericP> -> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG/Project_Ideas/DecisionSupportRuleLanguages Clinical Decision Support Project
15:21:38 <Zakim> +??P30
15:21:41 <ericP> Zakim, next agendum
15:21:41 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, ericP
15:21:46 <michel> zakim, ??P30 is michel
15:21:46 <Zakim> +michel; got it
15:21:48 <ericP> q?
15:21:52 <ericP> ack mscottm 
15:21:54 <ericP> Zakim, next agendum
15:21:54 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Terminologies Update" taken up [from John M. (TBD)]
15:21:59 <mscottm> Can't hear too well..
15:22:13 <ericP> John_M: holger and i had discussions of this
15:22:24 <ericP> ... have an RDF representaiton of a part of snomed
15:22:32 <ericP> ... please feel free to query
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15:23:36 <ericP> -> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG/Terminology Terminologies TF 
15:24:12 <ericP> John_M: SNOMED isa relationships are mapped to RDFS subClassOf
15:24:18 <John_M> http://tarski.duhs.org:8080/opendrdf-sesame/repositories/SNOMED
15:24:42 <ericP> ... representations as .en strings are linked with appropriate SKOS arcs
15:26:00 <ericP> ... expressing existing onts like SNOMED is more a question of interpretation than translation
15:26:30 <ericP> -> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG/Terminology/MappingHealthCareTerminologyToOWL/ThreeOptionsForMapping Three Options page
15:26:57 <ericP> John_M: a lot of med knowledge is stored in document schemas
15:27:37 <ericP> ... i.e. that the knowledge is dependent on the document context
15:27:48 <ericP> ... considering GRDDL and things like that
15:28:10 <mscottm> q+
15:28:20 <ericP> Susie: it sounds like once you pick an approach, the desions would make a good paper
15:28:59 <ericP> mscottm: appreciated the idea that you were doing a "renderining of SNOMED in RDF"
15:29:21 <ericP> John_M: in RDF/OWL, properties are instances, not classes
15:30:09 <ericP> ... in SNOMED, everything is a concept and all these hierarchies are expressed as ISA
15:30:40 <ericP> ... this is an example of a big change that you need to do to interpret SNOMED
15:31:13 <ericP> ... as you go from less expressive formalisims to more expressive, you have to apply your interpretation
15:31:55 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
15:32:01 <ericP>  Susie: what can we [the HCLS group] do for you?
15:32:43 <ericP> John_M: looking forward to giving a drug hierarchy to COI
15:33:44 <ericP> John_M: i think that this use case of health care terminology begs for named graphs
15:33:57 <ericP> ... can't inference across billions of triples
15:34:50 <ericP> mscottm: we have used named graphs in HCLS
15:35:20 <ericP> Susie: Kei has invited Olivier Bodenwriter to discuss expressing UMLS in the kb
15:35:33 <ericP> John_M: great, were working in this area as well
15:35:39 <ericP> Zakim, next agendum
15:35:44 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, ericP
15:35:48 <ericP> q?
15:35:50 <ericP> ack mscottm 
15:35:50 <ericP> q?
15:35:53 <ericP> Zakim, next agendum
15:35:53 <Zakim> agendum 4. "F2F Agenda Update" taken up [from Susie S.]
15:36:02 <ericP> Susie: agenda:
15:36:09 <ericP> ... .. intro to the group
15:36:17 <ericP> ... .. a couple keynotes from the area
15:36:24 <ericP> ... .. meeting time for the task forces
15:36:31 <Zakim> -TedBasher
15:36:36 <ericP> ... .. strategic plans for the future
15:36:49 <ericP> ... .. updates from CDISC and HL7
15:37:04 <ericP> ... .. oureach activities
15:37:30 <ericP> ... .. .. updates from Karen Myers and Eric Neumann
15:37:49 <ericP> ... please register and sign up for the accomodations this week
15:38:34 <ericP> ... given that it's a new group, it's important to have f2f interaction, but will also provide dial-in
15:38:45 <ericP> Helen: if we dial-in do we need to register
15:39:08 <ericP> Susie: please send mail to team-hcls-chairs to let us know that you will dial in
15:39:34 <ericP> Zakim, next agendum
15:39:34 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Outreach Discussion  (Conferences, Media, Recruitment)" taken up [from Eric P.]
15:39:48 <ericP> -> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG/Conferences outreach
15:39:58 <mscottm> ericP: outreach:
15:40:18 <mscottm> ... conferences, media, and recruitment
15:40:34 <mscottm> ... 15 different conferences, went through the list
15:40:49 <mscottm> ... put in links, date and location of next meeting
15:41:20 <mscottm> ... no paper deadline yet
15:42:03 <mscottm> ... we are giving a 4 hour tutorial at ISWC2008 (following another SW tutorial)
15:42:09 <michel> WWW2009 workshop submission deadline is October 10th, 2008
15:42:28 <mscottm> ...missed one
15:42:47 <mscottm> ... AMIA, annual symposium, Dec 8 - 12 in Washington, DC
15:43:31 <mscottm> ...Society for Neuroscience is also meeting in DC, December
15:43:42 <mscottm> ...correction AMIA is in November
15:44:10 <mscottm> Susie: this list is up for debate
15:44:47 <marco> ismb=intelligent systems for molecular biology, and it is together with eccb=european conference on computational biology
15:44:51 <mscottm> ...C-SHALS, ISWC, SemTech, Dagstuhl Data Integration meeting
15:46:00 <mscottm> DILS - Data Integration for the Life Sciences
15:46:23 <mscottm> ... PSB Pacific Symposium on Biology
15:46:42 <mscottm> ...Beyond Genome
15:47:21 <mscottm> ...InfoTech
15:47:43 <mscottm> ...DDT - Drug Discovery and Technology conference
15:48:06 <mscottm> ...WWW conference in Madrid, April next year
15:48:45 <mscottm> ... media - Do we have pages for those Susie?
15:49:25 <ericP> -> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG/Media HCLS Media outreach opportunities
15:49:27 <mscottm> Susie: Yes, <..long list..>
15:49:31 <Zakim> -Jennifer
15:50:19 <ericP> -> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG/Recruitment (currently empty) Recruitment page
15:50:44 <ericP> Zakim, next agendum
15:50:44 <Zakim> agendum 6. "News updates on COI, BioRDF, LODD, SWANSIOC" taken up [from ericP]
15:52:02 <ericP> Susie: BioRDF: asked holger and matthias to host the HCLS KB
15:52:32 <ericP> ... linking open data: Chris Bizer is looking at how LOD paradigms can be applied to this taask
15:53:04 <ericP> ... SWAN/SIOC: regular calls Fridays at 11 US Eastern
15:53:18 <ericP> ericP: COI: we had a week off
15:53:23 <ericP> Zakim, next agendum
15:53:23 <Zakim> agendum 7. "AOB" taken up [from ericP]
15:53:34 <ericP> Susie: who will be as ISWC?
15:53:41 <michel> maybe me
15:54:06 <michel> :-( i have no mic!
15:54:09 <ericP> ... holger, ericP, Chris, michelle dumontier?
15:54:15 <michel> Michel.
15:54:17 <michel> lol
15:54:20 <ericP> s/michelle/michel/
15:54:46 <mscottm> lol
15:54:49 <michel> haha
15:54:59 <ericP> susie: we get one pass. propose to give it to ericP
15:55:21 <Zakim> -Susie
15:55:22 <Zakim> -John_M
15:55:22 <Zakim> -mscottm
15:55:23 <Zakim> -Helen_Chen
15:55:27 <Zakim> -michel
15:55:27 <ericP> .NEXT CALL: 2 weeks
15:55:28 <Zakim> -marco
15:55:29 <matthiassamwald> bye
15:55:29 <Zakim> -??P56
15:55:33 <Zakim> -holger_stenzhorn
15:55:40 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
15:55:42 <Zakim> -jkangash
15:55:43 <Zakim> -AndrewG
15:55:43 <Zakim> -EricP
15:55:43 <Zakim> SW_HCLS()11:00AM has ended
15:55:45 <Zakim> Attendees were mscottm, +1.919.681.aaaa, jkangash, EricP, Susie, marco, John_M, Jennifer, [Microsoft], TedBasher, holger_stenzhorn, AndrewG, +1.216.773.aadd, Helen_Chen,
15:55:48 <Zakim> ... [IPcaller], michel
15:56:08 <ericP> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:56:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/04-hcls-minutes.html ericP
15:56:16 <ericP> RRSAgent, please make lot world-visible
15:56:16 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'please make lot world-visible', ericP.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:56:20 <ericP> RRSAgent, please make log world-visible
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