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RESOLUTION: Accept minute from Washington f-2-f
RESOLUTION: Accept last week minute
<scribe> ACTION: Ed to investigate what text could be added to primer re. concept co-ordination [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/22-swd-minutes.html#action02] [CONTINUES]
<scribe> ACTION: Guus to write primer text re: broaderGeneric and equivalence w/r/t subclass [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html#action08] [CONTINUES]
<scribe> ACTION: Ralph to check whether the common interpretation of rdfs isDefinedBy fits thereasoning that was made in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Oct/0141.html [recorded inhttp://www.w3.org/2007/12/18-swd-minutes.html#action10] [DROPPED] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/20-swd-minutes.html#action03]
<Antoine> believe the action has been dropped
<seanb> action droped @ bottom of http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-swd-irc#T15-38-04
<aliman> SKOS primer doesn't mention the property
... but Ralph was keen to have the property
... Ralph to make suggestion if required
... but believe that Ralph doesn't have a problem
<seanb> requested for confirmation between use of property in schema vs vocabulary
<scribe> ACTION: alistair and sean to add a note about irreflexivity to Reference [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/06-swd-minutes.html#action05] [CONTINUES]
<scribe> ACTION: Alistair to check the old namespace wrt dereferencing [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/06-swd-minutes.html#action03] [CONTINUES]
<scribe> ACTION: Antoine and Ed to add content to Primer about irreflexivity [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/06-swd-minutes.html#action06] [CONTINUES]
<scribe> ACTION: Guus and Alistair write text for Reference indicating understanding of a possible need for future patterns for n-Ary label relations [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/06-swd-minutes.html#action08] [CONTINUES]
<scribe> ACTION: Guus and Sean propose some owl:imports text for Primer [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/06-swd-minutes.html#action01] [DONE]
<seanb> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008May/0037.html
<scribe> ACTION: Ralph compose intermediate pages for http://www.w3.org/TR/swbp-skos-core-spec and http://www.w3.org/TR/swbp-skos-core-guide/ to inform readers of the paths to the old and new SKOS documents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/06-swd-minutes.html#action02] [CONTINUES]
<scribe> ACTION: Sean and Alistair to send a file for the namespace [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/06-swd-minutes.html#action04][CONTINUES]
<scribe> ACTION: Sean to write a proposal to indicate to OWL WG our requirements for annotation properties [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/06-swd-minutes.html#action07] [CONTINUES]
<scribe> ACTION: Clay will respond to Jakob about the resolution for notations and x-notation [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/07-swd-minutes.html#action01][CONTINUES]
<scribe> ACTION: Editors of the Use Cases to clean up the lists of requirements in light of resolutions [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/07-swd-minutes.html#action02] [CONTINUES]
<scribe> ACTION: Alistair to close issue 64 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-swd-minutes.html#action26] [DONE]
see http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/64
<Antoine> http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-swd-minutes.html#action13
<scribe> ACTION: Guus to mail his position on issues 72, 73 and 75 to the list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-swd-minutes.html#action25] [CONTINUES]
<scribe> ACTION: Margherita to send an email on the need to keep symbolic labels [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-swd-minutes.html#action24] [DONE]
see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008May/0031.html
<Margherita> found a property that could cover this
... different use case require futher information such as language and provenance (e.g. location)
... wondering if these type of annotation can be added with current vocabulary.
<seanb> see resolution forissue 79
... is that enough for use-case needs?
<Margherita> asked if language tags could be added as part of this solution
... description of the problem w.r.t. concept potassium requiring language tag for the symbol
... the relation should be at the concept level.
<aliman> explained that plain literals would allow language tags
... but that skos:notation was using RDF datatype literals which included a lexical label and a datatype URI
... see RDF Concepts on literals
... doesn't make sense to have a language tag on a typed literal
... ex:Potassium skos:prefLabel "Potassium"@en; skos:prefLabel "K"@en-x-notation
... as per Jakob's proposal for using prefLabel.
<Margherita> says that the problem with skos:notation is that the language tag
... can not be added to RDF datatype literals
<qhreul> proposed to extend skos:altLabel instead
... ex:chemicalSymbol rdf:subProperty skos:altLabel
<seanb> "A resource has no more than one value of skos:prefLabel per language"
... suggesting that we can have multiple prefLabel.
<aliman> says that both are possible patterns.
... prefSymbol and altSymbol were based on annotating pictures
<Margherita> likes the idea of creating sub properties of altLabel
... as would be able to create multiple annotation and add language with them
<aliman> says that Margherita use case is the main one w.r.t. to annotation
... why the using annotation?
<Antoine> annotation are closer to datatype literals, but doesn't allow to define the language
<aliman> Brian says that rationale is that it can be defined within an XML literal
<Antoine> says that it could be difficult for people to implement
<aliman> datatypes handled outside RDF semantics - notion of lexical-to-value
mapping is something specific to each datatype - no necessity that datatype URI link to anything
... how you link the data to datatype was an issue in previous WG.
... idea that most people would use SKOS notation and coin URI specific to their notation system and if they wanted to go further declare their
own datatype
sean: if Margherita use prefLabel then she will use different label with same language to represent both terms and symbols
<aliman> ex:Potassium skos:prefLabel "Potassium"@en; skos:prefLabel "K"@en-x-symbol. # another way to do it?
<Margherita>"Potassium" would be the prefLabel, whereas the P would be a chemical label associated to a altLabel
<seanb> It seems the question is whether a chemical symbol should be considered a "notation".
<Margherita> Not sure if there is a need for this to be another prefLabel
<aliman> # using notations :
ex:Potassium
... skos:prefLabel "Potassium"@en;
... skos:notation "K"^^<http://example.com/chemical-symbols>
<aliman> # duplicating the symbol label:
ex:Potassium
... skos:prefLabel "Potassium"@en;
... skos:prefLabel "K"@en-x-chemicalsymbol
... skos:notation "K"^^<http://example.com/chemical-symbols>.
<seanb> If it is, then our patterns don't quite capture Margherita's requirements
marghe: is afraid that we might get a lot of different solution to do the same things
<seanb> Alistair's solution doesn't include the language for the notation
<aliman> says that skos:notation should normally be used unless
... you need to say something about the language as well.
<aliman> proposes to use skos:note
<seanb> says that notation should be across all languages
<aliman> using example of syrilic language and whether the same notation is used
... Periodic table in Russian, uses latin symbols!
... another russian language periodic table using latin symbols :)
<seanb> I think we need to see these examples worked through (not just in the irc :-)
<aliman> +1 on what seanb said :)
<scribe> ACTION: Margherita to liase with author primer about example using plain literals and some with datatype literals [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/20-swd-minutes.html#action17]
Ben: we have had feedback from WG
on the primer
... suggesting that we are very close to the end
... prob will take a couple of weeks as still need to work on
the syntax
... currently closing issues at moment
... currently implementing against the use-case
... currently a java parser and also have a javascript
parser
... all dates in the agenda are within the reach of the task
force
<scribe> ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for RDFa (with assistance from Michael) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14] [CONTINUES]
Ben: if anyone wants to have a look @ the latest draft, the taskforce would be happy about feedback
Tom: the working draft has been reviewed
<scribe> ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default behavior" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14] [CONTINUES]
<scribe> ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes implementations] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20] [CONTINUES]
Diego: pending on work done on W3C web services
<scribe> ACTION: Jon will correct the PURL references in the recipes and update the files in W3space [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/29-swd-minutes.html#action12] [DONE]
see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008May/0038.html
<scribe> ACTION: Jon and Diego to publish a new Editor's Draft of the Recipes [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-swd-minutes.html#action04] [DONE]
see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008May/0038.html
<scribe> ACTION: Ralph to review the new Editor's Draft of the Recipes [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-swd-minutes.html#action06] [CONTINUES]
<scribe> ACTION: Ed to review the new Editor's Draft of the Recipes [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-swd-minutes.html#action05] [CONTINUES]
Vit: submitted changes to Eliza that Eliza is going to implement