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RDF-in-XHTML TF

10 Jan 2008

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
msporny, Ralph, Steven, Simone, markbirbeck, benadida, ShaneM
Regrets
Michael
Chair
Ben
Scribe
Steven

Contents


 

 

<Ralph> previous 2008-01-03

<markbirbeck> zakim i am ?

<scribe> Scribe: Steven

<scribe> Chair: Ben

Ben: The SW WG have asked us for a new WD soon

Steven: Our timeline says last call end of this month

Ben: Right, so we have to work fast

Mark: I'm pessimistic; resolved things seem to get unresolved at short notice

Ben: Mea possibly culpa, for not marking issues closed

<Ralph> namespace for non-prefixed values of @rel (still open)

Mark: How do we break out of this cycle though?

Ben: Michael has been recording resolutions; we need to be stricter about reopening issues
... The reason I'm optimistic is because if we resolve the issues, the changes are just one line

<ShaneM> we have an "issue" element in the markup dtd

Action items

http://www.w3.org/2008/01/03-rdfa-minutes.html#ActionSummary

<markbirbeck> Steven..if we believe that process has caused us problems, then it's time well spent.

<scribe> ACTION: [PENDING] Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]

<benadida> --> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa/ImplReport

<scribe> ACTION: [PENDING] Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]

<scribe> ACTION: [PENDING] Ben to respond to comment on follow-your-nose [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action02]

Ben: I'd like to resolve that today
... Mark, are you happy with the proposal

Mark: Mostly, though I have some suggestions
... to be discussed at the right place in the agenda

<scribe> ACTION: [PENDING] Ben to set up a proper scribe schedule [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]

<scribe> ACTION: [PENDING] Manu to change Libby's email address to Michael's in all test cases [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action05] [DONE]

<scribe> ACTION: [PENDING] Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]

<benadida> --> http://dataportability.org/

<scribe> ACTION: [PENDING] Ralph followup with Dublin Core on what's going on with their namespace URI [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]

<scribe> ACTION: Shane to update syntax doc to remove Libby's email address (and replace it with Michael's) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action07] [DONE]

Test cases

<msporny> http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/rdfa-test-harness/

Manu: 61, 62, 63 need to be re-reviewed
... go to that URL above, and select "unreviewed"

<Ralph> -- test 73 Relative URI in @resource (with XHTML base in head)

Ben: looks good to me

Mark: The subject is wrong
... it should be the base

msporny: Approved with that change

<Ralph> -- test 74 Relative URI in @href (with XHTML base in head)

msporny: test 74
... has the same issue
... just uses href instead of resource

Mark: But there is an ongoing issue with Ivan that affects this

Ben: I don't think that this affects this test case

Mark: Disagree
... the discussion about 'spurious' triples applies here too

Ben: No one argues that this shouldn't produce these triples

Mark: But they should, that's the problem

<Ralph> Mark: I'd like to put test 74 on hold until we resolve the [spurious triples] issue

Mark: I think that this test should be put on hold until we resolve the 'spurious triples' issue

Ralph: How can we flag this as a case that will be reevaluated if we decide the other issue the other way?

Ben: So let's have the discussion now
... we agree that rel="licence" generates a triple, and rel="foo" doesn't

<benadida> <div rel="foaf:knows">

<benadida> ...

Mark: You are picking and choosing between moments when the user intends a triple and when not

<benadida> <a href="foo" />

<benadida> </div>

Ben: You need cases of avoiding triples just because there happens to be an href in there

Mark: If you add a rel="licence", that was traditionally good HTML, so why does that add a triple, and the other not?
... if you genuinely want to prevent the markup above, then you should genuinely want to prevent test 74 as well

msporny: Let's put this on hold so we can move on here

Ben: Testcases are meant to record our thinking
... Moving on, case 75

msporny: can't do, same problem

[Discussion of what the essence is of Mark and Ben's disagreement]

Mark: We need to precisely word the problem so that we can try and resolve it

<markbirbeck> <div resource="A">

<markbirbeck> <...>

<markbirbeck> </div>

Mark: The difference seems to be that my model is generic, whereas Ben and Ivan's have special case

a/case/cases/

Ben: I don't think so

Mark: But is this the only remaining question?

<benadida> <div about="#foo" rel="foaf:knows">

<benadida> <a href="#bar" />

<benadida> </div>

Ben: In this case, does href complete the triple or not?
... that is the essence, though there is a secondary issue [scribe missed what it was]

Mark: The second question applies to my <div resource="A">

<Ralph> Ben: second issue arises only if @href _does_ complete the triple in this example; then the issue would be what happens with @instanceof @href

Ben: I need to draw a graphic to explain my model; it may help the discussion

Mark: If I summarise these two questions, and imply that this is all, is that OK?

Ben: Yes
... I will do the graphic as well
... and the src issue is orthogonal
... Please front load RDFa work this week

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Summary of Action Items

[PENDING] ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to respond to comment on follow-your-nose [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action02]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to set up a proper scribe schedule [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]
[PENDING] ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph followup with Dublin Core on what's going on with their namespace URI [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]
 
[DONE] ACTION: Manu to change Libby's email address to Michael's in all test cases [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action05]
[DONE] ACTION: Shane to update syntax doc to remove Libby's email address (and replace it with Michael's) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]
 
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