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15:59:29 <Ralph> zakim, this will be rdfa
15:59:29 <Zakim> ok, Ralph; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
15:59:33 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started
15:59:37 <Ralph> rrsagent, please make record public
15:59:39 <Zakim> +??P14
15:59:42 <Ralph> Meeting: RDF-in-XHTML TF
15:59:57 <msporny> Zakim, I am ??P14
15:59:57 <Zakim> +msporny; got it
16:00:04 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
16:00:05 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
16:00:09 <Zakim> +Ralph
16:00:11 <Zakim> +Steven
16:01:30 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/01/03-rdfa-minutes.html previous 2008-01-03
16:02:35 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?
16:02:35 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
16:02:53 <Zakim> +??P45
16:03:04 <Simone> Zakim, ??P45 is me
16:03:06 <Zakim> +Simone; got it
16:03:10 <Zakim> +??P46
16:03:14 <markbirbeck> zakim i am ?
16:03:53 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am ?
16:03:54 <Ralph> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0104.html
16:04:23 <Zakim> +markbirbeck; got it
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16:06:38 <Ralph> Chair: Ben
16:07:29 <Ralph> Regrets: Michael
16:07:59 <Zakim> +ShaneM
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16:08:21 <Steven> Scribe: Steven
16:09:07 <Steven> Chair: Ben
16:10:12 <Steven> rrsagent,make log public
16:10:19 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
16:10:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/10-rdfa-minutes.html Steven
16:11:05 <Steven> Ben: The SW WG have asked us for a new WD soon
16:11:40 <Steven> Steven: Our timeline says last call end of this month
16:11:48 <Steven> Ben: Right, so we have to work fast
16:13:13 <Steven> Mark: I'm pessimistic; resolved things seem to get unresolved at short notive
16:13:22 <Steven> s/notive/notice/
16:14:45 <Steven> Ben: Mea possibly culpa, for not marking issues closed
16:15:03 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/61 namespace for non-prefixed values of @rel (still open)
16:15:50 <Steven> Mark: How do we break out of this cycle though?
16:16:27 <Steven> Ben: Michael has been recording resolutions; we need to be stricter about reoping issues
16:16:35 <Steven> s/reoping/reopening/
16:19:22 <Steven> Ben: The reason I'm optimistic is because if we resolve the issues, the changes are just one line
16:19:26 <ShaneM>  we have an "issue" element in the markup dtd
16:19:49 <Steven> Topic: Action items
16:20:03 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/2008/01/03-rdfa-minutes.html#ActionSummary
16:20:13 <markbirbeck> Steven..if we believe that process has caused us problems, then it's time well spent.
16:20:14 <Steven> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]
16:20:40 <benadida> --> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa/ImplReport
16:21:14 <Steven> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]
16:21:25 <Steven> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to respond to comment on follow-your-nose [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action02]
16:21:43 <Steven> Ben: I'd like to resoblve that today
16:21:58 <Steven> s/resoblve/resolve/
16:22:14 <Steven> Ben: Mark, are you happy with the proposal
16:22:30 <Steven> Mark: Mostly, though I have some suggestions
16:22:54 <Steven> ... to be discussed at the right place in the agenda
16:23:05 <benadida> agenda+ rdfa profile to vocab#?
16:23:42 <Steven> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to set up a proper scribe schedule [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]
16:23:54 <Steven> [PENDING] ACTION: Manu to change Libby's email address to Michael's in all test cases [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action05]
16:23:57 <Steven> -- done
16:24:09 <Steven> [PENDING] ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]
16:24:39 <benadida> --> http://dataportability.org/
16:25:10 <Steven> [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph followup with Dublin Core on what's going on with their namespace URI [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]
16:25:22 <Steven> ACTION: Shane to update syntax doc to remove Libby's email address (and replace it with Michael's) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]
16:25:27 <Steven> -- done
16:26:44 <Steven> Topic: Test cases
16:26:49 <msporny> http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/rdfa-test-harness/
16:27:20 <Steven> Ben: 61, 62, 63 need to be re-reviewed
16:28:34 <Steven> ... go to that URL above, and select "unreviewed"
16:29:11 <Ralph> -- test 73  Relative URI in @resource (with XHTML base in head)
16:29:40 <Steven> Ben: looks good to me
16:30:45 <Steven> Mark: The subject is wrong
16:30:49 <Steven> ... it should be the base
16:31:57 <Steven> msporny: Approved with that change
16:32:05 <benadida> s/Ben: 61/Manu: 61/
16:32:22 <Ralph> -- test 74 Relative URI in @href (with XHTML base in head)
16:32:25 <Steven> msporny: test 74
16:32:40 <Steven> ... has the same issue
16:32:59 <Steven> ... just uses href instead of resource
16:34:22 <Steven> Mark: But there is an ongoing issue with Ivan that affects this
16:35:25 <Steven> Ben: I don't think that this affects this test case
16:35:32 <Steven> Mark: Disagree
16:35:45 <Steven> ... the discussion about 'spurious' triples applies here too
16:36:30 <Steven> Ben: No one argues that this shouldn't produce these triples
16:36:40 <Steven> Mark: But they should, that's the problem
16:37:53 <Ralph> Mark: I'd like to put test 74 on hold until we resolve the [spurious triples] issue
16:37:54 <Steven> ... I think that this test should be put on hold until we resolve the 'spurious triples' issue
16:40:21 <Steven> Ralph: How can we flag this as a case that will be outlawed if we decide the other issue the other way
16:40:27 <Steven> s/way/way?/
16:40:56 <Ralph> s/outlawed/reevaluated/
16:41:31 <Steven> Ben: So let's have the discussion now
16:42:09 <Steven> Ben; we agree that rel="licence" generates a triple, and rel="foo" doesn't
16:42:22 <Steven> s/;/:/
16:43:25 <benadida> <div rel="foaf:knows">
16:43:26 <benadida>  ...
16:43:30 <Steven> Mark: You are picking and choosing between moments when the user intends a triple and when not
16:43:32 <benadida>   <a href="foo" />
16:43:33 <benadida> </div>
16:44:03 <Steven> Ben: You need cases of avoiding truples just because there happens to be an href in there
16:44:11 <Steven> s/truples/triples/
16:45:09 <Steven> Mark: If you add a rel="licence", that was traditionally good HTML, so why does that add a triple, and the other not?
16:46:57 <Steven> ... if you genuinely want to prevent the markup above, then you should genuinely want to prevent test 74 as well
16:48:12 <Steven> msporny: Let's put this on hold so we can move on here
16:48:28 <Steven> Ben: Testcases are meant to record our thinking
16:50:35 <Steven> Ben: Moving on, case 75
16:50:47 <Steven> msporny: can't do, same problem
16:53:17 <Steven> [Discussion of what the essence is of Mark and Ben's disagreement]
16:54:09 <Steven> Mark: We need to precisely word the problem so that we can try and resolve it
16:54:53 <markbirbeck> <div resource="A">
16:54:57 <markbirbeck>   <...>
16:54:59 <markbirbeck> </div>
16:56:54 <Steven> Mark: The difference seems to be that my model is generic, whereas Ben and Ivan's have special case
16:57:03 <Steven> a/case/cases/
16:57:11 <Steven> Ben: I don't think so
16:58:25 <Steven> Mark: But is this the only remaining question?
16:58:27 <benadida> <div about="#foo" rel="foaf:knows">
16:58:35 <benadida>   <a href="#bar" />
16:58:36 <benadida> </div>
16:58:54 <Steven> Ben: In this case, does href complete the triple or not?
16:59:33 <Steven> ... that is the essence, though there is a secondary issue [scribe missed what it was]
17:00:14 <Steven> Mark: The second question applies to my <div resource="A">
17:00:24 <Ralph> Ben: second issue arises only if @href _does_ complete the triple in this example; then the issue would be what happens with @instanceof @href
17:01:55 <Steven> Ben: I need to draw a graphic to explain my model; it may help the discussion
17:03:10 <Steven> Mark: If I summarise these two questions, and imply that this is all, is that OK?
17:03:47 <Steven> Ben: Yes
17:04:08 <Steven> ... I will do the graphic as well
17:04:18 <Steven> ... and the src issue is orthogonal
17:05:25 <Steven> Ben: Please front load RDFa work this week
17:05:28 <Zakim> -msporny
17:05:28 <Steven> [ADJOURN]
17:05:29 <Zakim> -markbirbeck
17:05:30 <Zakim> -ShaneM
17:05:35 <Zakim> -Ralph
17:05:36 <Zakim> -Steven
17:05:45 <Zakim> -benadida
17:05:45 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
17:05:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see Simone
17:05:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see ShaneM, benadida, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ralph, msporny, Simone, markbirbeck, Steven
17:05:55 <Steven> zakim, drop simone
17:05:55 <Zakim> Simone is being disconnected
17:05:57 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended
17:05:58 <Zakim> Attendees were msporny, Ralph, Steven, Simone, markbirbeck, benadida, ShaneM
17:06:04 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
17:06:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/10-rdfa-minutes.html Steven
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17:33:35 <Ralph> zakim, bye
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17:34:11 <Ralph> rrsagent, bye
17:34:11 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/10-rdfa-actions.rdf :
17:34:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane to update syntax doc to remove Libby's email address (and replace it with Michael's) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action07] [1]
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