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<LeeF> Kjetil! welcome back
<Kjetil> hi all!\
Susie listing the agenda
-> http://www.w3.org/mid/OF76E54CDE.0C453DAE-ON85257383.0072B5F9-85257383.0073105A@EliLilly.lilly.com agenda
susie: well attended, with Leo and Benji via
video conference
... in the room we had Karen, Martin, Uldis, Melli, David, Karen, Orri,
Yrjana, Kingsley, Ivan, Susie
... we also had Dunja, special guests Philip, Dean Allemang, people dialing
in like Tom Baker, Kei Dietrich, EricP, Ian, Ralph...
... in terms of quick summary
... we started off by giving a progress report
... ivan gave an overview of sw technologies
... he went through his presentations using his own slides
... we talked about education and outreach in new techs, powder, skos,
rdfa
... after lunch karen talked about what people are saying about us
... what are the stumbling blocks
... we went on to talk about use cases and case studies and how to do a
better job in categorizations
... we talked about focussing on getting the collection of documents
together, possibly just on a wiki page
... then ianj talked on how to work better with the comm team, and what we
should be covering
... we wrapped up on what we could be doing moving forward
... one thing i wanted to do is to go through the action items
susie: there were some action items that were
not covered in the minutes
... in terms of action items..
a action was Karen to finalize the enterprise survey
karen: i would prefer to hand it off, these weeks go crazy with tpac, etc
David: I will be at the tpac
karen: let me check this for monday the 5th to put it into a format that i can hand it off
susie: on the 5th can you send a copy to ivan and myself and see where we are?
<scribe> ACTION: Karen to write up what she has on the survey and send it to susie and ivan on the 5th [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/31-sweo-minutes.html#action01]
susie: next item I have is on resource
gathering
... we said we would have a friendly testing by the 10th of october
... but that is passed
... I could not do it, not works on ie
leo: afaik, Tim fixed that, it should work on IE
susie: today is the 31st, I commit to test it by the 14th
<scribe> ACTION: Susie does a friendly testing of the info gather by the 14th [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/31-sweo-minutes.html#action02]
Susie: another item on the resource gathering
was Danny's preferred document collection
... we were thinking of moving it to a wiki page
... it would be good if we all had a list of preferred document
... do you think we have a deadline and then post up what we have?
danja: sounds a good idea
susie: is it possible for you to send a mail to the list
<scribe> ACTION: danny to send out a mail to the list on what the preferred documents are by the 14th [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/31-sweo-minutes.html#action03]
Leo: didn't we thought of a public call for
tutorials?
... we started on the mailing list
... now that we have a deadline, we may do it again
danny: good idea; I do not have the text any more, any idea where it is?
<scribe> ACTION: danny to ping the swig for further input for recommended tutorials [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/31-sweo-minutes.html#action04]
Susie: i have an action on use cases and cases studies
Susie: one of the thing we discussed: ivan was asking to review the different facets
<scribe> ACTION: Melli, Lee, Martin to review the use cases to propose new search facets until the 14th of November [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/31-sweo-minutes.html#action05]
<LeeF> can do by 14 Nov
<scribe> ACTION: susie to put a template together for the use cases by the 14th of november [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/31-sweo-minutes.html#action06]
<danja> (RecommendedTutorials August mail : http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/semantic-web/2007Aug/0182.html )
Susie: chasing around use cases
... pfizer, this is on my todo list
... I also have on my list topquadrant, and others
Susie: karen, were you ever able to get in touch with Kodak?
karen: kodak was not very receptive
... not so interested in w3c right now
Kjetil: i had a egov use case
... got the 2000 ?? award
<Kjetil> Minside won the 2007 European eGoverment Award in the category for Transparency and Participation
... is it interesting for us
Susie: egov would be good, but the more the
production environment would be better
... melli, I have you down for hutchison and others
melli: I chase them
susie: maybe I should have topquadrant for nasa instead of melli
susie: kingsley, could you get bbc?
kingsley: i did not get a consistent answer
... they went in a flux for the time being
... but it will happen at some point
<LeeF> soliciting use case from the BBC
Susie: next is to finish the flyer
... everybody is pretty much happy with the text and figures, we are at the
last stage there
... in terms of logos
... i have to talk to ian on the pictograms
... also around the licence
-> http://www.w3.org/mid/1193780113.28431.124.camel@localhost latest mail to swig
scribe: the community seems to be happy
<LeeF> soliciting use case from the BBC
<LeeF> ivan: lawyers were not 100% ok with the CC license(s)
<LeeF> ... regarding uncertainties changing color and shape, etc not covered by licenses
<LeeF> ... might be new copyright text that is as liberal as CC but with more precision
<LeeF> ... two other things
<LeeF> ... (1) working to get a proper RDF representation of the copyright information
<LeeF> ... (2) looking to setup a POWDER description resource copyright for the logo
<LeeF> <general ruckus>
<danja> (*grin*)
<UldisB> on SemWeb icon licensing: a license itself (W3C or CC) can not enfore proper attribution anyway. hard to imagine W3C policing this.
<UldisB> a bigger impact 'd be to provide code snippets that people can cut'n'paste (and which have proper attribution inside)
Susie: next thing has been lingering for ages:
a while back we had Ina to collate a list of journalists
... and we could have contact
ivan: feature freeze:-)
Susie: we discussed at the f2f: the charter of of sweo finished end of january, so we should probably off the list
... general action items with faq, web pages
... one issue was sw activity home page
<LeeF> ivan: have done some work on Sem Web activity home page
<LeeF> ... re: what text should be on the top level. i consider it done
<LeeF> ... re: FAQ. It exists, there might be some work to be done at some point, but would prefer to wait for next version of SWEO
<LeeF> ... separating it into multiple, linked FAQs would be a good idea
<LeeF> ... the content is good
<LeeF> ... could use more entries from POWDER and other technologies
<LeeF> ... make it more webby
<LeeF> For the record, I think that the script addresses most or all of the accessibility comments that we've ever received
<LeeF> (now)
<scribe> ACTION: susie forward the faq to our guests for further input [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/31-sweo-minutes.html#action07]
Susie: ivan you will be updating the presentations
<scribe> ACTION: everybody to send data on large (very large) triple store data to improve the slides [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/31-sweo-minutes.html#action08]
Susie: we had a discussion that we have a
fairly technical standard presentation
... ivan had concerns that people do not really use other peoples'
presentations too much
david: my feeling is that business people will
use any presentations they can use
... they would not be that concerned
<Karen> +1 putting a business level presentation together
david: they would not be concerned
Susie: david, do you think you can have a go to put together some slides
david: i am happy to take a shot at that
... but many people have tried, do not think that I will be able to solve
this problem in general:-)
-> http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/CorePresentations/ Ivan's presentations
ivan: I have put links for slides for david
david: I will look at that
Susie: waht about graphics?
david: i am not a designer...:-(
Susie: maybe we have to look at the slides and then we can see
karen: regarding graphics it is worth asking ian whether the comm team has resources
<scribe> ACTION: susie ask ian about designer availability [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/31-sweo-minutes.html#action09]
Susie: meetings
... we thought of having sw gathering elsewhere than boston
... i am inclined to take off the list
<danja> (hoping the weather in Bari for SWAP is better than it is here now - ccooollldd)
Susie: karen mentioned the w3c has the
opportunity with the organizers of next years' semtech meeting
... karen, any thoughts on how to work with your?
karen: yes. Getting abstract or ideas from
people who want to be presenting
... also have demos and use cases that companies could be invited on the w3c
booth
... we could create a schedule for demos, and members to provide something
... last year it was a small tradeshow
... they expect to have more next year
Susie: ideas should be sent to you or the conference?
karen: if it is the trade show booth, then send it to me and cc to ivan
for the conference: if somebody wants to submit an abstract, that is of course fine
scribe: what they want to have is collectively have an idea of what is 'hot', 'new', and sweo could help in that
Susie: if we were to discuss that nov 14, would that be fine?
<LeeF> ivan: i propose that we send someone to the booth only if they have a public use case
karen: why don't I find out more of the timing
and schedule
... if we have too much, then we should have some parameters
Susie: partners would also use their own
machines
... not necessarily downloading software on w3c's machine
... meeting of the form of webinars
... that would be a nice thing to do before the end of sweo
... karen said would look at what w3c had done
karen: the main webinars were done in europe in
the mobile web initiative
... i do not have all the details yet, but it was pretty successful. Will
talk to Marie-Claire and Philipp next week
Susie: I have an action item to complete the
cool uri document
... leo & richard are busy incorporating the feedbacks
... the next step is making the edits on the documents
Susie: the only other item is around what we are going to do
for outreach for grddl
... we talked about to have lots of grddl transforms
... we talked about xbrl and also atom
... but we did not have any hard decisions
benji: i took the action item to document the
existiting mappings; there is a list on esw and I have been working today to
clean up that stuff
... and to make it more human readable
... for people writing parsers it is worth on describing more the details
... i am working on that
<danja> bengee++
<bengee> http://esw.w3.org/topic/CustomRdfDialects
kingsley: the action item resources to work on
the extraction
... the problem right now is that the resource is still on openlink
... but we cannot have that a top priority
karen: i had a call this morning with my
contacts at fidelity
... one of them was involved on xbrl
... i would very much present him to kingsley
<danja> bengee, I rediscovered a bit of GRDDL resource-checking from a while back : http://esw.w3.org/topic/CustomRdfDialects/GrddableMicroformats
<danja> my current GRDDL-todos at http://danja.talis.com/grddl-etc.html
<bengee> oh, cool, danja
Susie: very high level, community projects
... but we are out of time, propose to discuss that next call
next call is on th 14th of November
ivan's regrets
<Karen> Karen sends regrets
<Karen> Mobile Internet World conflicts
ivan's regrest on the meeting after, too, he will be in china