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13:41:19 <ivan> Chair: Susie
13:41:30 <ivan> Meeting: SWEO Weekly Telco
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13:59:23 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
13:59:23 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
13:59:24 <Zakim> +Ivan
13:59:34 <Zakim> +??P36
13:59:53 <ivan> zakim, aaaa is Kingsley
13:59:55 <Zakim> +Kingsley; got it
14:00:09 <ivan> zakim, ??P36 is David
14:00:09 <Zakim> +David; got it
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14:00:35 <LeeF> Kjetil! welcome back
14:00:46 <Zakim> +??P40
14:00:53 <MartinD> zakim, ??p40 is me
14:00:53 <Zakim> +MartinD; got it
14:00:58 <Zakim> +Susie_Stephens
14:01:02 <Zakim> +LeeF
14:01:08 <Kjetil> hi all!
14:01:19 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
14:01:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kingsley, Ivan, David, MartinD, Susie_Stephens, LeeF
14:01:21 <Zakim> On IRC I see MartinD, LeeF, bengee, kidehen, Susie, RRSAgent, Zakim, ivan, Kjetil
14:01:25 <Kjetil> skype problems, but I think I'll use old style phone
14:01:44 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:02:12 <ivan> zakim, [IPcaller] is Benji
14:02:24 <Zakim> +Benji; got it
14:02:24 <bengee> a, thx ivan
14:02:55 <ivan> Regrets: Dunja
14:02:58 <Zakim> +Karen
14:03:00 <Karen> Karen has joined #sweo
14:03:31 <LeeF> zakim, mute me please
14:03:40 <Zakim> LeeF should now be muted
14:03:45 <ivan> scribenick: ivan
14:03:53 <ivan> Susie listing the agenda
14:04:19 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/mid/OF76E54CDE.0C453DAE-ON85257383.0072B5F9-85257383.0073105A@EliLilly.lilly.com agenda
14:04:21 <Zakim> + +1.603.557.aabb
14:04:33 <ivan> zakim, aabb is Melli
14:04:33 <Zakim> +Melli; got it
14:04:37 <ivan> Topic: f2f meeting
14:04:48 <ivan> susie: well attended, with Leo and Benji via video conference
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14:05:33 <ivan> ... in the room we had Karen, Martin, Uldis, Melli, David, Karen, Orri, Yrjana, Kingsley, Ivan, Susie
14:06:08 <ivan> ... we also had Dunja, special guests Philip, Dean Allemang, people dialing in like Tom Baker, Kei Dietrich, EricP, Ian, Ralph...
14:06:16 <ivan> ... in terms of quick summary
14:06:24 <ivan> ... we started off by giving a progress report
14:06:28 <Zakim> +PaulaP
14:06:35 <ivan> ... ivan gave an overview of sw technologies
14:06:49 <ivan> ... he went through his presentations using his own slides 
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14:07:12 <ivan> ... we talked about education and outreach in new techs, powder, skos, rdfa
14:07:22 <ivan> ... after lunch karen talked about what people are saying about us
14:07:28 <ivan> ... what are the stumbling blocks
14:07:44 <Zakim> +??P46
14:07:49 <ivan> ... we went on to talk about use cases and case studies and how to do a better job in categorizations
14:08:02 <Kjetil> Zakim, ??P46 is me
14:08:03 <Zakim> +Kjetil; got it
14:08:18 <ivan> ... we talked about focussing on getting the collection of documents together, possibly just on a wiki page
14:08:41 <ivan> ... then ianj talked on how to work better with the comm team, and what we should be covering
14:08:53 <ivan> ... we wrapped up on what we could be doing moving forward
14:08:58 <Zakim> +??P12
14:09:09 <ivan> ... one thing i wanted to do is to go through the action items
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14:09:27 <ivan> ... there were some action items that were not covered in the minutes
14:09:31 <ivan> zakim, ??P12 is Leo
14:09:33 <Zakim> +Leo; got it
14:09:40 <ivan> ... in terms of action items..
14:10:19 <ivan> a action was Karen to finalize the enterprise survey
14:10:37 <ivan> karen: i would prefer to hand it off, these weeks go crazy with tpac, etc
14:11:27 <ivan> David: I will be at the tpac
14:11:45 <ivan> karen: let me check this for monday the 5th to put it into a format that i can hand it off
14:11:48 <Zakim> +??P49
14:12:00 <danja> Zakim, ??P49 is danja
14:12:00 <Zakim> +danja; got it
14:12:09 <danja> Zakim, mute me
14:12:09 <Zakim> danja should now be muted
14:12:11 <ivan> susie: on the 5th can you send a copy to ivan and myself and see where we are?
14:12:35 <ivan> ACTION: Karen to write up what she has on the survey and send it to susie and ivan on the 5th
14:12:45 <ivan> susie: next item I have is on resource gathering
14:12:56 <ivan> ... we said we would have a friendly testing by the 10th of october
14:13:02 <ivan> ... but that is passed 
14:13:25 <ivan> ... I could not do it, not works on ie
14:13:36 <ivan> leo: afaik, Tim fixed that, it should work on IE
14:13:49 <ivan> susie: today is the 31st, I commit to test it by the 14th
14:14:02 <ivan> ACTION: Susie does a friendly testing of the info gather by the 14th
14:14:24 <ivan> Susie: another item on the resource gathering was Danny's preferred document collection
14:14:36 <ivan> ... we were thinking of moving it to a wiki page
14:14:47 <ivan> ... it would be good if we all had a list of preferred document
14:14:53 <danja> Zakim, unmute me
14:14:53 <Zakim> danja should no longer be muted
14:15:26 <ivan> Susie: do you think we have a deadline and then post up what we have?
14:15:34 <ivan> danja: sounds a good idea
14:15:50 <ivan> susie: is it possible for you to send a mail to the list
14:15:54 <leobard> q+
14:16:07 <ivan> action: danny to send out a mail to the list on what the preferred documents are by the 14th
14:16:28 <ivan> ack leo
14:16:40 <ivan> Leo: didn't we thought of a public call for tutorials?
14:16:46 <ivan> ... we started on the mailing list
14:16:54 <ivan> ... now that we have a deadline, we may do it again
14:17:08 <ivan> danny: good idea; I do not have the text any more, any idea where it is?
14:17:53 <ivan> action: danny to ping the swig for further input
14:18:23 <ivan> s/further input/further input for recommended tutorials/
14:18:41 <ivan> Susie: i have an action on use cases and cases studies
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14:19:01 <UldisB> regrets, can't join the telco 
14:19:09 <ivan> ... one of the thing we discussed: ivan was asking to review the different facets
14:19:42 <ivan> action: Melli, Lee, Martin to review the use cases to propose new search facets
14:20:18 <ivan> s/search facets/ search facets until the 14th of November/
14:20:22 <LeeF> can do by 14 Nov
14:20:37 <ivan> action susie: put a template together for the use cases by the 14th of november
14:20:37 <danja> (RecommendedTutorials August mail : http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/semantic-web/2007Aug/0182.html )
14:20:48 <danja> Zakim, mute me
14:20:48 <Zakim> danja should now be muted
14:21:01 <ivan> Susie: chasing around use cases
14:21:02 <Kjetil> Zakim, mute me
14:21:02 <Zakim> Kjetil should now be muted
14:21:13 <ivan> ... pfizer, this is on my todo list
14:21:27 <ivan> ... I also have on my list topquadrant, and others
14:21:39 <Karen> Karen had to take a call
14:21:41 <Kjetil> q+
14:21:43 <ivan> ...karen, were you ever able to get in touch with Kodak?
14:21:44 <Karen> sorry
14:21:53 <ivan> ack Kjetil 
14:22:23 <ivan> Kjetil: i had a egov use case
14:22:42 <ivan> ... got the 2000 ?? award
14:22:48 <ivan> ... is it interesting for us
14:23:06 <ivan> Susie: egov would be good, but the more the production environment would be better
14:23:34 <ivan> susie: melli, I have you down for hutchison and others
14:23:44 <ivan> melli: I chase them
14:24:09 <ivan> susie: maybe I should have topquadrant for nasa instead of melli
14:24:15 <Kjetil> Minside won the 2007 European eGoverment Award in the category for Transparency and Participation
14:24:16 <LeeF> link?
14:24:26 <ivan> susie: kingsley, could you get bbc
14:24:51 <LeeF> kidehen, could you paste a link for the irc record please?
14:25:01 <ivan> kingsley: i did not get a consistent answer
14:25:17 <ivan> ... they went in a flux for the time being
14:25:26 <ivan> ... but it will happen at some point
14:26:11 <ivan> q+
14:26:23 <ivan> ack ivan
14:27:15 <Kjetil> Zakim, mute me
14:27:15 <Zakim> Kjetil should now be muted
14:29:29 <ivan> karen: kodak was not very receptive
14:29:36 <ivan> ... not so interested in w3c right now
14:30:14 <ivan> Susie: next is to finish the flyer
14:30:30 <ivan> ... everybody is pretty much happy with the text and figures, we are at the last stage there
14:30:38 <ivan> Susie: in terms of logos
14:30:46 <ivan> ... i have to talk to ian on the pictograms
14:31:08 <ivan> ... also around the licence
14:31:23 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/mid/1193780113.28431.124.camel@localhost  latest mail to swig
14:31:31 <ivan> ... the community seems to be happy
14:31:39 <LeeF> -> http://simile.mit.edu/mail/ReadMsg?listName=Linking%20Open%20Data&msgId=21447 soliciting use case from the BBC
14:32:21 <LeeF> ivan: lawyers were not 100% ok with the CC license(s)
14:32:35 <LeeF> ... regarding uncertainties changing color and shape, etc not covered by licenses
14:32:46 <LeeF> ... might be new copyright text that is as liberal as CC but with more precision
14:32:55 <LeeF> ... two other things
14:33:10 <LeeF> ... (1) working to get a proper RDF representation of the copyright information
14:33:31 <LeeF> ... (2) looking to setup a POWDER description resource copyright for the logo 
14:33:39 <LeeF> <general ruckus>
14:33:52 <danja> (*grin*)
14:34:55 <ivan> Susie: next thing has been lingering for ages: a while back we had ?? to collate a list of journalists
14:35:09 <LeeF> s/??/Ina
14:35:09 <ivan> ... and we could have contact
14:35:18 <ivan> ivan: feature freeze:-)
14:35:54 <ivan> Susie: we discussed at the f2f: the charter of of sweo finished end of january, so we should probably off the list
14:36:10 <ivan> Susie: general action items with faq, web pages
14:36:24 <ivan> ... one issue was sw activity home page
14:37:18 <LeeF> ivan: have done some work on Sem Web activity home page
14:37:27 <LeeF> ... re: what text should be on the top level. i consider it done
14:37:48 <LeeF> ... re: FAQ. It exists, there might be some work to be done at some point, but would prefer to wait for next version of SWEO
14:37:56 <LeeF> ... separating it into multiple, linked FAQs would be a good idea
14:37:59 <LeeF> ... the content is good
14:38:13 <UldisB> on SemWeb icon licensing: a license itself (W3C or CC) can not enfore proper attribution anyway. hard to imagine W3C policing this.
14:38:14 <LeeF> ... could use more entries from POWDER and other technologies
14:38:36 <LeeF> ... make it more webby
14:38:46 <UldisB> a bigger impact 'd be to provide code snippets that people can cut'n'paste (and which have proper attribution inside)
14:39:09 <LeeF> For the record, I think that the script addresses most or all of the accessibility comments that we've ever received
14:39:17 <LeeF> (now)
14:40:16 <ivan> action: susie forward the faq to our guests for further input
14:41:23 <ivan> Susie: ivan you will be updating the presentations
14:41:43 <ivan> action: everybody to send data on large (very large) triple store data to improve the slides
14:42:04 <ivan> Susie: we had a discussion that we have a fairly technical standard presentation
14:42:27 <ivan> ... ivan had concerns that people do not really use other peoples' presentations too much
14:42:43 <ivan> david: my feeling is that business people will use any presentations they can use
14:42:51 <ivan> ... they would not be that concerned
14:42:57 <Karen> +1 putting a business level presentation together
14:42:59 <ivan> ... they would not be concerned
14:43:29 <ivan> Susie: david, do you think you can have a go to put together some slides 
14:43:37 <ivan> david: i am happy to take a shot at that
14:43:58 <ivan> ... but many people have tried, do not think that I will be able to solve this problem in general:-)
14:44:39 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/CorePresentations/ Ivan's presentations
14:45:18 <ivan> ivan: I have put links for slides for david
14:45:25 <ivan> david: I will look at that
14:45:27 <Karen> q+
14:45:31 <ivan> Susie: waht about graphics
14:45:34 <ivan> ?
14:45:47 <ivan> david: i am not a designer...:-(
14:45:59 <ivan> Susie: maybe we have to look at the slides and then we can see
14:46:07 <LeeF> q+
14:46:15 <ivan> karen: regarding graphics it is worth asking ian whether the comm team has resources
14:46:18 <ivan> ack karen
14:46:30 <LeeF> q-
14:46:30 <ivan> action: susie ask ian about designer availability
14:46:40 <ivan> Susie: meetings
14:47:05 <ivan> ... we thought of having sw gathering elsewhere than boston
14:47:17 <ivan> ... i am inclined to take off the list
14:49:12 <kidehen> q+
14:49:41 <ivan> ack kidehen 
14:50:06 <danja> (hoping the weather in Bari for SWAP is better than it is here now - ccooollldd)
14:50:58 <ivan> Susie: karen mentioned the w3c has the opportunity with the organizers of next years' semtech meeting
14:51:12 <ivan> ... karen, any thoughts on how to work with your?
14:51:28 <ivan> karen: yes. Getting abstract or ideas from people who want to be presenting
14:51:43 <ivan> ... also have demos and use cases that companies could be invited on the w3c booth
14:52:04 <ivan> ... we could create a schedule for demos, and members to provide something
14:52:11 <ivan> ... last year it was a small tradeshow
14:52:20 <ivan> ... they expect to have more next year
14:52:30 <ivan> q+
14:52:50 <ivan> Susie: ideas should be sent to you or the conference?
14:53:02 <ivan> karen: if it is the trade show booth, then send it to me and cc to ivan
14:53:16 <ivan> for the conference: if somebody wants to submit an abstract, that is of course fine
14:53:40 <ivan> ... what they want to have is collectively have an idea of what is 'hot', 'new', and sweo could help in that
14:54:06 <ivan> Susie: if we were to discuss that nov 14, would that be fine?
14:54:12 <ivan> ack ivan
14:54:33 <LeeF> ivan: i propose that we send someone to the booth only if they have a public use case
14:56:30 <ivan> karen: why don't I find out more of the timing and schedule
14:56:42 <ivan> ... if we have too much, then we should have some parameters
14:57:14 <ivan> Susie: partners would also use their own machines
14:57:29 <ivan> ... not necessarily downloading software on w3c's machine
14:57:39 <ivan> susie: meeting of the form of webinars
14:57:49 <ivan> ... that would be a nice thing to do before the end of sweo
14:58:10 <ivan> ... karen said would look at what w3c had done
14:58:35 <ivan> karen: the main webinars were done in europe in the mobile web initiative
14:58:49 <ivan> ... i do not have all the details yet, but it was pretty successful
14:59:03 <ivan> Susie: I have an action item to complete the cool uri document
14:59:16 <ivan> ... leo & richard are busy incorporating the feedbacks
14:59:26 <ivan> ... the next step is making the edits on the documents
14:59:52 <ivan> Susie: the only other item is around what we are going to do for outreach for grddl
15:00:02 <ivan> ... we talked about to have lots of grddl transforms
15:00:10 <ivan> ... we talked about xbrl and also atom
15:00:20 <ivan> ... but we did not have any hard decisions
15:00:51 <ivan> benji: i took the action item to document the existiting mappings; there is a list on esw and I have been working today to clean up that stuff
15:01:01 <ivan> ... and to make it more human readable
15:01:20 <ivan> ... for people writing parsers it is worth on describing more the details
15:01:27 <ivan> ... i am working on that
15:01:35 <danja> bengee++
15:01:41 <Zakim> -Melli
15:01:59 <ivan> s/benhi/benji/
15:02:10 <ivan> q+
15:02:33 <bengee> http://esw.w3.org/topic/CustomRdfDialects
15:03:37 <ivan> kingsley: the action item resources to work on the extraction
15:03:53 <ivan> ... the problem right now is that the resource is still on openlink
15:04:03 <ivan> ... but we cannot have that a top priority
15:04:20 <Karen> q+
15:04:27 <ivan> ack Karen
15:04:29 <ivan> ack ivan
15:04:43 <ivan> karen: i had a call this morning with my contacts at fidelity
15:04:55 <ivan> ... one of them was involved on xbrl
15:05:06 <ivan> ... i would very much present him to kingsley
15:06:24 <danja> bengee, I rediscovered a bit of GRDDL resource-checking from a while back : http://esw.w3.org/topic/CustomRdfDialects/GrddableMicroformats
15:06:27 <ivan> Susie: very high level, community projects
15:06:38 <ivan> ... but we are out of time, propose to discuss that next call
15:07:00 <bengee> oh, cool, danja
15:07:03 <ivan> next call is on th 14th
15:07:09 <danja> my current GRDDL-todos at http://danja.talis.com/grddl-etc.html
15:07:13 <ivan> ivan's regrets
15:07:16 <Karen> Karen sends regrets
15:07:25 <Karen> Mobile Internet World conflicts
15:07:35 <ivan> ivan's regrest on the meeting after, too, he will be in china
15:07:43 <ivan> meeting ajourned
15:07:45 <PaulaP> bye
15:07:48 <danja> bye!
15:07:49 <Zakim> -Benji
15:07:50 <Zakim> -PaulaP
15:07:51 <Zakim> -Karen
15:07:52 <Zakim> -Kingsley
15:07:54 <Zakim> -David
15:07:55 <Zakim> -Leo
15:07:56 <Zakim> -Susie_Stephens
15:07:57 <Zakim> -LeeF
15:07:58 <Zakim> -Kjetil
15:07:59 <Zakim> -MartinD
15:08:00 <Zakim> -Ivan
15:08:02 <Zakim> -danja
15:08:04 <Zakim> SW_SWEO()10:00AM has ended
15:08:06 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.781.907.aaaa, Ivan, Kingsley, David, MartinD, Susie_Stephens, LeeF, Benji, Karen, +1.603.557.aabb, Melli, PaulaP, Kjetil, Leo, danja
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15:10:10 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:10:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/31-sweo-minutes.html ivan
15:10:17 <ivan> rrsagent, bye
15:10:17 <RRSAgent> I see 9 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/31-sweo-actions.rdf :
15:10:17 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Karen to write up what she has on the survey and send it to susie and ivan on the 5th [1]
15:10:17 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/31-sweo-irc#T14-12-35
15:10:17 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Susie does a friendly testing of the info gather by the 14th [2]
15:10:17 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/31-sweo-irc#T14-14-02
15:10:17 <RRSAgent> ACTION: danny to send out a mail to the list on what the preferred documents are by the 14th [3]
15:10:17 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/31-sweo-irc#T14-16-07
15:10:17 <RRSAgent> ACTION: danny to ping the swig for further input [4]
15:10:17 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/31-sweo-irc#T14-17-53
15:10:17 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Melli, Lee, Martin to review the use cases to propose new search facets [5]
15:10:17 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/31-sweo-irc#T14-19-42
15:10:17 <RRSAgent> ACTION: susie to put a template together for the use cases by the 14th of november [6]
15:10:17 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/31-sweo-irc#T14-20-37
15:10:17 <RRSAgent> ACTION: susie forward the faq to our guests for further input [7]
15:10:17 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/31-sweo-irc#T14-40-16
15:10:17 <RRSAgent> ACTION: everybody to send data on large (very large) triple store data to improve the slides [8]
15:10:17 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/31-sweo-irc#T14-41-43
15:10:17 <RRSAgent> ACTION: susie ask ian about designer availability [9]
15:10:17 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/31-sweo-irc#T14-46-30-1
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