W3C RDF-in-XHTML TF - Telecon

 

 

<mhausenblas> previous 2007-08-30

<mhausenblas> ScribeNick: mhausenblas

Action Items

-> http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-rdfa-minutes.html#ActionSummary

<scribe> ACTION: [NEW] Ben add an isbn: resource example to the Primer to illustrate @resource overriding @href [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-rdfa-minutes.html#action08] [CONTINUES]

<scribe> ACTION: [NEW] Ben ask Michael to duplicate tests 34-36 omitting @about [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-rdfa-minutes.html#action12] [DONE]

<scribe> ACTION: [NEW] Ben ask Michael to duplicate tests 34-36 with @rev in place of @rel [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-rdfa-minutes.html#action11] [DONE]

<scribe> ACTION: [NEW] Ben ask Michael to write versions of tests 34-36 including all of @src, @href, and @resource [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-rdfa-minutes.html#action10] [DONE]

<scribe> ACTION: [NEW] Ben send mail to the TF list when the Primer editors' draft is ready for the TF to read [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-rdfa-minutes.html#action14] [CONTINUES]

<scribe> ACTION: [NEW] Ralph ask Eric Prud'hommeaux if there's a clever way to write a variant of tests 34-36 without @rel [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-rdfa-minutes.html#action09] [DONE]

<RalphS> Ralph: Eric's solution would require us to be able to identify some tests as returning '0' for a Pass result

<RalphS> ... all the current tests expect '1' to be the Pass result

<RalphS> Michael: with 'ASK' we're checking that the triple exists

<RalphS> ... the expected answer is 'Yes'

-> http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query/#ask

<RalphS> Michael: in the test suite document we could define whether 'Yes' means Pass or Fail

-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/Overview.html RDF Testsuite

<RalphS> Michael: my proposal is to leave the current test cases as they are and define how we interpret the 'Yes' response

<RalphS> Mark: for some tests we say 'Yes' means Fail

<RalphS> Michael: yes, I have to confirm that this is feasible

<RalphS> ... to date we have assume that 'Yes' means Pass

<scribe> ACTION: Michael make sure to confirm a design for checking that the ASK SPARQL queries evaluate (yes/no) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]

<scribe> ACTION: [NEW] Shane send email to the TF list when the editor's draft is ready for the TF to read [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-rdfa-minutes.html#action13] [DONE]

-- really done

<scribe> ACTION: [PENDING] Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04] [CONTINUES]

<scribe> ACTION: [PENDING] Ben to recontact implementors Elias, MarkB, triplr [and Fabien] and post their implementations to http://esw.w3.org/topic/RDFa#Implementations [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/02-rdfa-minutes.html#action09] [CONTINUES]

<scribe> ACTION: [PENDING] Ben to work test cases 31 and 32 into primer [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action14] [CONTINUES]

<scribe> ACTION: [PENDING] Ben, Mark, Elias, and other implementors to add xml:lang support [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action11] [CONTINUES]

<scribe> ACTION: [PENDING] Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06] [CONTINUES]

New Test Cases

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Sep/0040.html

<RalphS> scribenick: ralphs

<mhausenblas>

Michael: I updated the foaf:img property names

Test case 37

-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/Test0037 test 37

RESOLUTION: test 37 approved

Michael: tests 38-41 all stem from the same action item; they're the same as 34-37 using @rev instead of @rel
... uses foaf:depicts as that's the inverse of foaf:depiction
... I tested this with Ivan Herman's implementation and it produced the proposed result

RESOLUTION: test 38 approved

Ben: typo in test 39; still uses @rel
... let's hold approval for this until it's fixed
... same typo problem in test 40

test case 41

-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/Test0041 test 41

RESOLUTION: test 41 approved

Michael: tests 42-45 are same ase 34-37 without @about

-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/Test0042 test 42

Ralph: syntactically correct, but are these semantically correct?

Michael: foaf:img is a relationship between a person and an image
... these may be semantically questionable

Mark: could have a screen shot that is an image of the page
... is foaf:img really restricted to Domain foaf:Person?

<mhausenblas>

Michael: yes, foaf:img has rdfs:Domain foaf:Person

<Steven> It contradicts itself

<Steven> the description says "An image that can be used to represent some thing"

<Steven> (not some person)

Ralph: we ought to be able to find some semantically reasonable relationship between the page and the image

Ben: let's approve these tests based on syntax and assign Michael an action to look for a better property

<scribe> ACTION: Michael look for a more semantically correct predicate for tests 42-45 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action14]

RESOLUTION: test 42 on hold, modulo predicate

-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/Test0043 test 43

Michael: showing @href overriding @src

RESOLUTION: test 43 on hold, modulo predicate

Mark: how will we confirm the corrected versions of these tests?

Michael: I have an action, and we'll check when I finish that action

Mark: we should put these on hold, then, rather than accept them now

RESOVLED: tests 42-45 put on hold pending identification of a semantically correct predicate

<mhausenblas> ScribeNick: mhausenblas

Documents - Thoughts, Reviews

Ben: Where to start?

Steven: Everywhere

Mark: Ivan gave great feedback

Ralph: Which section will be subject to greates change?

Mark: The 'Processing Model' (rules) section is new
... we are now matching all the other sections with this new rules section
... the blue boxes detailed out
... eg @xml:lang in rules it just says it is used
... then in the detailed sections it exaplains how to use it, examples

Ben: Regarding review
... can we start right now, where to start?

Mark: Final changes on next Monday
... all sections may be reviewed, but they'll get ready bit by bit

<Zakim> RalphS, you wanted to ask about/suggest a 'latest version' mechanism

Ben: We agreed are while ago that it will be titled "XHTML 1 + RDFa"

Mark: There used to be more generic things in there, but it is getting more specific
... sitll not sure how to name it

<RalphS> [I see div.issue rendered as light green]

Mark: I focused on the rules, till now
... though we need to discuss it, here
... the idea is that the 'blue boxes' are host language specific

Ralph: Like the approach, but change the subtitle

Ben: RDFa in XHTML 1.1 Syntax as title

<RalphS> http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-rdfa-primer/

<ShaneM> we need a short name for the syntax document. It should be xhtml-syntax-rdfa

<ShaneM> note that currently we are using the shorthame rdfa-syntax

<ShaneM> but I am sure that is unofficial

<RalphS> [I suggest xhtml-rdfa-syntax ]

Ralph: To get a short name, the WG needs to trigger it by making a First Public Working Draft publication request

<RalphS> primer

Ben: I restructured the Primer

<RalphS> currently $Id: 06-rdfa-irc.txt,v 1.43 2007/09/06 16:26:15 swick Exp $

Ben: the mini-syntax section has been removed
... I am about to change the subtitle
... Manu, I'll take your comments and work them in

<RalphS> regrets for 13 Sep telecon :(

Ben: Mark promised the Syntax is ready for Tuesday morning
... Let's tentatively say next Friday at 15:00 UTC
... 14 Sep 2007

Schedule over the next 2 weeks

Ben: Get documents out for review
... everyone in the TF comments on it
... will inform SWD, then and propose to review

Mark: Regarding CURIE []

Michael: Don't know, but if you find it please add it to http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa/Resolutions

Mark: It has gone from @href
... but an extended form is worth having it in there

Ben: [] is just used for disambiguation

<RalphS> issue 4 (Local) blank node identifiers

<RalphS> [note that issue 4 is marked as resolved]

<benadida> <div about="#ben" property="foaf:name" content="Ben Adida" rel="foaf:homepage" href="http://ben.adida.net" instanceof="foaf:Person">oy</div>

<benadida> does this yield:

<benadida> <#ben> a foaf:Person

<benadida> or

<benadida> <http://ben.adida.net> a foaf:Person

<RalphS> [I've brought this "what is subject of @instanceof?" up previously and was overruled]

<RalphS> note that as this is a question we've revisited several time, whatever our conclusion is we should document it in a section of the Primer

Ralph: Need an action to resolve it
... Ben to outline it in the Primer

Ben: Too advanced for the Primer

Ralph: In the Syntax, then?

Ben: I'll have a look at it

<scribe> ACTION: Ben to write up @instanceof referring to other subjects [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action15]

Ben: Mission this week is WRITE or REVIEW

Michael: or both ;)

Ben: Thanks everyone - till Friday next week
... and look out for the documents on Tuesday morning!