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<chimezie> that's the norm for Zakim
<chimezie> Zakim: reset memory
<rreck> no, i am learning Zakim
<HarryH> scribe: Fabien
<HarryH> PROPOSE TO CLOSE WITHOUT DISCUSSION: ACTION: DanC to revise "transformation" rule to be clear about spaces, multiple values [DONE] in v1.252
<HarryH> PROPOSED: to approve GRDDL WG-- 18 Apr 2007 as a true record
<HarryH> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Apr/att-0091/18-grddl-wg-minutes.html
<HarryH> APPROVED: GRDDL WG-- 18 Apr 2007 as a true record - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Apr/att-0091/18-grddl-wg-minutes.html
<HarryH> PROPOSED: to meet again Wed, 2 May 11:00-0500. scribe volunteer?
<scribe> ACTION: DanC to revise "transformation" rule to be clear about spaces, multiple values [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action01]
<HarryH> RReck will scribe next meeting.
see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Apr/0129.html
esp http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/html-and-grddl-xform-attr
<FabienG> Chime: I can suggest text.
<FabienG> jjc: I suggested text but not for the green boxes
<FabienG> DanC: anything about media-types ?
<FabienG> Chime: no.
<FabienG> DanC: test case for plain text document don't have GRDDL resul ?
PROPOSED: that the premise of the
rel="transform" depend only on (a) XML-wf-ness (b) root element
name "html", (c) root element namespace http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml
... that the premise of the rel="transform" rule depend only on
(a) XML-wf-ness (b) root element name "html", (c) root element
namespace http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml
<FabienG> jjc: mime-types ?
"has an XML representation" which excludes text/plain
<HarryH> APPROVED: that the premise of the rel="transform" rule depend only on (a) XML-wf-ness (b) root element name "html", (c) root element namespace http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml
<HarryH> RESOLVED: that the premise of the rel="transform" rule depend only on (a) XML-wf-ness (b) root element name "html", (c) root element namespace http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml
<FabienG> Harry: happy with Dan's edit?
<HarryH> Everyone seems happy with DanC's edits.
<FabienG> JJC: only informative text to remind the implementors
<FabienG> DanC: the HTML base case was not approved yet
<scribe> ACTION: DanC to yes, cite htmlbase1 to clarify "base IRI of E" in the case of XHTML [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action02]
<HarryH> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/crrequest.html
<HarryH> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/lc-spec
<FabienG> Harry: Samsung leaved the working group
<jjc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Apr/0119 has suggested text on html base
"@@FILL IN URI OF LATEST GRDDL REVISION" http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec 1.254 + 2 actions above
"@@FILL IN URI OF LATEST GRDDL REVISION" http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec 1.254 + 2 actions above + SOTD
"@@FILL IN URI OF LATEST GRDDL REVISION" http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec 1.254 + 2 actions above + SOTD + missing "a"
"@@FILL IN URI OF LATEST GRDDL REVISION" http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec 1.254 + 2 actions above + SOTD + missing "a" + whatever we figure for the STYPI
<FabienG> DanC: remove the pointer to the comment archive and use the table provided by jjc
<FabienG> jjc: current text has a normative dependency on the test that may prevent us to go to CR
"@@FILL IN URI OF LATEST GRDDL REVISION" http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec 1.254 + 2 actions above + SOTD + missing "a" + whatever we figure for the STYPI + demoting tests to informative
<FabienG> Harry: there is the article from IBM site about GRDDL as an evidence
http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/web/library/wa-hmach1/index.html?ca=drs- A meaningful Web for humans and machines, Part 1: How humans can share the wealth of the Web
<FabienG> DanC: RDFa and GRDDL compatibility is in the critical path.
SWD comments: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007AprJun/0015.html
<scribe> ACTION: DanC to s/metdata/metadata/ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action03]
<scribe> ACTION: DanC to cite "XFN" informatively [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action04]
<scribe> ACTION: DanC to demote test citation to informative [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action05]
"@@FILL IN URI OF LATEST GRDDL REVISION" http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec 1.254 + 5 actions above + SOTD + missing "a" + whatever we figure for the STYPI
<jjc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007AprJun/0003
<jjc> not fully addressed
<scribe> ACTION: DanC to address editorial comments by Beckett in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007AprJun/0003 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action06]
<FabienG> jjc: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007AprJun/0003 S2 is done, other S need editorial changes
"@@FILL IN URI OF LATEST GRDDL REVISION" http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec 1.254 + 6 actions above + SOTD + missing "a" + whatever we figure for the STYPI
<jjc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Apr/0190
<jjc> addressing dave beckett's comments
<FabienG> DanC: poll "confident done du deligence with comments"
<Simone> +1
<rreck> yes
<FabienG> Unanimous yes with the above comment integrated.
<FabienG> jjc: we have enough tests we need more implementation reports.
<scribe> ACTION: DanC to add test cases to spec abstract [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action07]
"@@FILL IN URI OF LATEST GRDDL REVISION" http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec 1.254 + 6 actions above + SOTD + missing "a" + whatever we figure for the STYPI
<FabienG> jjc: should we talk about security or should we leave it out of the critical path?
<HarryH> Deployed in popular forums
<FabienG> DanC: Harry and jjc will be in charge of the CR request from now on.
PROPOSED: that we move GRDDL
Specication to CR 2007/04/24 05:22:45 + changes @@FILL above
OK'd by JJC, with CR request as drafted by HH and edits agreed
by JJC
... that we move GRDDL Specication (2007/04/24 05:22:45 +
changes @@FILL above OK'd by JJC) to CR, using CR request text
as drafted by HH and edits agreed by JJC
<FabienG> Chime: I second
<rreck> i agree with the proposal as stated.
RESOLUTION: that we move GRDDL Specication (2007/04/24 05:22:45 + changes @@FILL above OK'd by JJC) to CR, using CR request text as drafted by HH and edits agreed by JJC
<FabienG> no objection, no abstention
<scribe> ACTION: JJC to see that the CR request gets to The Director, copy chairs, as per http://www.w3.org/2005/08/transition?docstatus=cr-tr [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action08]
<jjc> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#htmlbase1
<FabienG> jjc: I am trying to show that the correct answer depends on both the base URI and the current URI.
<jjc> <a rel='transformation' href="whichdir.xsl">
<jjc> <base href="http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/xhtmlWithBaseElement"/>
<chimezie> I will be abstaining from htmlbase* proposal votes as long as they are approved as informative
eek
<jjc> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/whichdir.xsl
<jjc> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/base/xhtmlWithBaseElement
<jjc> <rdf:Description rdf:about="">
<jjc> <rdfs:comment>Transformed by stylesheet from /2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/</rdfs:comment>
<jjc> </rdf:Description>
<jjc> rdf:about="" is resolved with the retieval URI
<FabienG> Chime: the interaction with xml:base is not clear.
<jjc> so the triple is
<jjc> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/base/xhtmlWithBaseElement rdfs:comment "Transformed by stylesheet from /2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/"
<FabienG> DanC: don't want a WG decision if Chime is abstaining.
<FabienG> chime: really issue is with an html:base and an xml:base
<john-l> Does GRDDL.py pass this particular test?
<chimezie> nope
<FabienG> jjc: the xinclude has such a case
<jjc> no xinclude has xml:base inside html
PROPOSED: to approve http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#htmlbase1
<jjc> but no html base
so RESOLVED.
<jjc> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#primer-hotel-data
<jjc> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#httpHeaders
<FabienG> ACTION: Chime to remove http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#primer-hotel-data and http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#httpHeaders [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action09]
<chimezie> GRDDLpy-earl-2007-04-25.rdf
ok, I win, sorta: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/test_results 1.11
proposals will please enumerate tests in alphabetical order
<FabienG> PROPOSAL: to extend the meeting to finish the work on test cases to go to LC.
<rreck> i will stay in chat but leave the phone, i trust chimezie will make the best decision possible.
<chimezie> With base URI of (http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests):
<chimezie> #hcard1,#loop,#langconneg1,#langconneg2,#langconneg3,#xhtmlWithGrddlEnabledProfile,#xhtmlWithGrddlEnabledProfileAndADisabledInBodyTransform,#xhtmlWithGrddlEnabledProfileAndInBodyTransform,#xhtmlWithMoreThanOneGrddlTransformation
<jjc> Chime please run tests in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/pendinglist
RESOLUTION: to approve all of #hcard1,#loop,#langconneg1,#langconneg2,#langconneg3,#xhtmlWithGrddlEnabledProfile,#xhtmlWithGrddlEnabledProfileAndADisabledInBodyTransform,#xhtmlWithGrddlEnabledProfileAndInBodyTransform,#xhtmlWithMoreThanOneGrddlTransformation
<chimezie> #card5n,#card5na,#embedded-rdf1,#embedded-rdf2,#embedded-rdf3,#glean-profile,#grddlonrdf,#hcard,#hcarda,#html-and-transformation-attr,#multipleRepresentations,#multipleRepresentations2,#multipleRepresentations3,#spaces-in-rel
RESOLUTION: to approve #card5n,#card5na,#embedded-rdf1,#embedded-rdf2,#embedded-rdf3,#glean-profile,#grddlonrdf,#hcard,#hcarda,#html-and-transformation-attr,#multipleRepresentations,#multipleRepresentations2,#multipleRepresentations3,#spaces-in-rel
<chimezie> #embedded-rdf10,#embedded-rdf4,#embedded-rdf5,#embedded-rdf6,#embedded-rdf8,#embedded-rdf9
PROPOSED: to approve
#embedded-rdf4
...
#embedded-rdf10,#embedded-rdf5,#embedded-rdf6,#embedded-rdf8,#embedded-rdf9
RESOLUTION: #embedded-rdf10,#embedded-rdf5,#embedded-rdf6,#embedded-rdf8,#embedded-rdf9
<jjc> ACTION: jjc remove XSLT 2.0 / XSLT 1.0 fallback from embeddedRDF.xsl [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action10]
PROPOSED: to approve #embedded-rdf4 with the output changed to have absolute URIs, for clarity
(chime, how many outstanding tests are there?)
<chimezie> 9 left
<jjc> ntriples is
<jjc> <http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/> <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#value> "one" .
PROPOSED: to approve #embedded-rdf4 as is.
RESOLUTION: to approve #embedded-rdf4 as is.
<chimezie> #embedded-rdf7,#embedded-rdf7-alt
jjc suggests removing #embedded-rdf7-alt, combined with action to take xslt2 out of lib above
jjc: the XSLT1 base handling stuff punts (xsl:message terminate="yes") in some cases.
<scribe> ACTION: chime to remove #embedded-rdf7,#embedded-rdf7-alt [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action11]
<chimezie> #grddlProfileBase1,#grddlProfileBase2,#grddlProfileBase3,#htmlbase1,#htmlbase2,#htmlbase3,#htmlbase4
RESOLUTION: to approve #grddlProfileBase1,#grddlProfileBase2,#grddlProfileBase3,#htmlbase1,#htmlbase2,#htmlbase3,#htmlbase4
<chimezie> #xmlbase1
<chimezie> outout doc: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/xmlWithBase-output
PROPOSED: to take test cases to last call, approving all tests that jjc+chime+john agree on, using editor's draft http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests 2007/04/25 14:20:41 + edits as agreed by chime and john
<HarryH> I give my "yes"
<jjc> - critical corrections from msg 0184 and as suggested in this meeting
<FabienG> MSG is : http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Apr/0184.html
<HarryH> One other plan would then ship both the Primer and a revised Use-Case doc as Notes when we send everything to PR.
so RESOLVED.
<chimezie> for the records: the issues (with current versions of those testgs): http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Apr/0195.html
<HarryH> (those revisions having to deal with the tidy use-case in Use-Case Scenario document, and possibly wrapping an example of that into the Primer)
ADJOURN.
<FabienG> RESOLVED: to take test cases to last call, approving all tests that jjc+chime+john agree on, using editor's draft http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests 2007/04/25 14:20:41 + edits as agreed by chime and john
<HarryH> Thanks everyone.
<HarryH> Mission (very close to) accomplished.
<jjc> jjc john chime agree to attempt to approve xmlbase 1-4 by e-mail, and possibly drop the other tests
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