W3C

GRDDL Weekly

17 Jan 2007

See also: IRC log, agenda

Attendees

Present
DanC, rreck, Murray_Maloney, FabienG, briansuda, danja, Ian_Davis, chimezie, HarryH
Regrets
Chair
HenryH
Scribe
DanC_lap

Contents


Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-01-17T11:00-0500

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Jan/0014.html minutes 10 Jan

RESOLUTION: to accept minutes 10 Jan

HH: my laptop is kaput

RESOLUTION: to meet 24 Jan, chime to scribe, regrets Murray

[#issue-html-nsdoc]

Harry: where did this come from? what are the positions?

DanC: I added it while thinking about RDFa... some plans for RDFa involve adding a pointer from the XHTML namespace document to an RDFa transformation

danja: why treat XHTML special? what about SVG?

Murray: a better way would be for GRDDL processors to have config files... e.g. in an HL7 context, they'll want to cache HL7 namespaces...

Chime: let's be explicit in one of 2 ways: (1) it's a stopping point; there's no transformations there (2) there's a transformation there, e.g. RDFa

DanC: I think config files are a reasonable implementation approach, but as for the spec, that can be endorsed silently, under an implicit "do The Right Thing"

Ron: what's the downside of being silent?

DanC: one risk is that future implementations will follow current implementations, ...
... which don't check the XHTML namespace documents; then RDFa folks try to deploy a transformation at the XHTML namespace document, and the grddl implementations would lose.

Danny: how about some sort of "you should check that your copies are reasonably current"

DanC: I think a health-warning like that is appropriate; are you willing to draft something?

Danny: I think so

<scribe> ACTION: Danja to draft a health warninng about caching namespace documents. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action01]

[#issue-tx-element]

-> danc on tx-element

RESOLUTION: to postpone issue-tx-element

[#issue-conformance-labels]

HH: we have adopted consistent terminology: GRDDL aware agent, source document, result [?]
... though not conformance label yet

<chimezie> My niave interpretation is that the spec defines what an agent is

RESOLUTION: to use consistent vocabulary, but not use them as conformance labels.

[#issue-http-header-links]

-> GRDDL links in HTTP? (new issue?)

<danja> for ref : http://www.mnot.net/blog/2006/06/22/link

<scribe> ACTION: IanD to propose some details for GRDDL links in HTTP [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action02]

Test cases for GRDDL with XML documents

<chimezie> DanC: I'm unable to pull from homer.w3.org:8123

<scribe> ACTION: DanC to give Brian McBride CVS access [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action03]

<scribe> ACTION: HarryH to check in a test case on content negotiation [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action04]


see "Test suite version control" in test overview

DanC: some progress on EARL

[#issue-output-formats] whether GRDDL transformations may produce RDF in a format other than RDF/XML

3 actions continue

[#issue-mt-ns]

<scribe> ACTION: Murry to draft paragraph giving us caveat for faithful infoset issue closure. [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action05]

current spec is: "If an information resource IR is represented by an XML document whose root node is" ...

<danja> brb (log on fire)

chime: is it coherent to say that both the xincluding-using and the not-xinclude-using outcomes are grddl resutls?

Murray: yes, they're both GRDDL results

DanC: I think that's bad web architecture to allow this ambiguity, but I probably wouldn't object

<scribe> ACTION: Chime to work on details of 2 allowed results of xinclude test [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action06]

[#issue-base-param]

Harry: I'm having trouble running this test

<scribe> ACTION: Danny to test #base-param and e-mail group [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action07]

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/testlist1#base-param

Primer Document

<scribe> ACTION:Chime's add HL7 plain XML health care use-case and check it into test suite. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action08]

-> chime's hl7 work

HH: comments have asked for (1) plain XML, not XHTML, (2) something with non-trivial entialment

<scribe> ACTION: Chime to propose some primer text for the hl7 case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action09]

<briansuda> sure, i email Ian and CC WG

HH: Ian, please [link rq files

Ian: OK

<scribe> ACTION: Fabien to post to sawsdl list relevant questions about RDF mapping and relationship to GRDDL [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action10]

fabien, continue that one? or withdraw?

<scribe> -- continues

HH: note SAWSDL expanded scope to not just WSDL but also XML Schema. So this seems important.

<scribe> ACTION: DanC to add a sample implementation appendix to the GRDDL spec. [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action11]

ADJOURN.

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Chime to propose some primer text for the hl7 case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: Chime to work on details of 2 allowed results of xinclude test [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: Chime's add HL7 plain XML health care use-case and check it into test suite. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: Danja to draft a health warninng about caching namespace documents. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Danny to test #base-param and e-mail group [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: IanD to propose some details for GRDDL links in HTTP [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action02]
 
[PENDING] ACTION: DanC to add a sample implementation appendix to the GRDDL spec. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action11]
[PENDING] ACTION: DanC to give Brian McBride CVS access [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action03]
[PENDING] ACTION: HarryH to check in a test case on content negotiation [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: Murry to draft paragraph giving us caveat for faithful infoset issue closure. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action05]
[PENDING] ACTION: Fabien to post to sawsdl list relevant questions about RDF mapping and relationship to GRDDL [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action10]
 
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