IRC log of grddl-wg on 2007-01-17

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15:36:30 [rreck]
can i grab a bite to eat first, give me a like 5
16:00:59 [DanC_lap]
Zakim, take up item 1
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agendum 1. "Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-01-17T11:00-0500" taken up
16:01:03 [iand]
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16:01:06 [DanC_lap]
Zakim, who's on the phone?
16:01:06 [Zakim]
On the phone I see +1.703.956.aaaa, [IPcaller], DanC
16:01:14 [chimezie]
DanC: I'm unable to pull from
16:01:32 [DanC_lap]
Zakim, aaaa is rreck
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+rreck; got it
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16:01:49 [FabienG]
zakim, [Sophia] is FabienG
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+FabienG; got it
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16:01:56 [briansuda]
Zakim, +??P21 is briansuda
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sorry, briansuda, I do not recognize a party named '+??P21'
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Zakim, ??P21 is briansuda
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+briansuda; got it
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Zakim, [IPcaller] is danja
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+danja; got it
16:02:18 [DanC_lap]
Zakim, who's on the phone?
16:02:18 [Zakim]
On the phone I see rreck, danja, DanC, FabienG, Murray_Maloney, briansuda
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16:02:33 [chimezie]
Zakim, P27 is chimezie
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sorry, chimezie, I do not recognize a party named 'P27'
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Zakim, ??P27 is chimezie
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+chimezie; got it
16:04:04 [DanC_lap]
-> minutes 10 Jan
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RESOLVED: to accept minutes 10 Jan
16:04:55 [DanC_lap]
Zakim, who's on the phone?
16:04:55 [Zakim]
On the phone I see rreck, danja, DanC, FabienG, Murray_Maloney, briansuda, chimezie, Ian_Davis
16:05:00 [Zakim]
+ +1.919.457.aabb
16:05:11 [DanC_lap]
Zakim, aabb is HarryH
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+HarryH; got it
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HH: my laptop is kaput
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RESOLVED: to meet 24 Jan, chime to scribe, regrets Murray
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Zakim, next item
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agendum 2. "[#issue-html-nsdoc]" taken up
16:08:23 [DanC_lap]
Harry: where did this come from? what are the positions?
16:09:07 [DanC_lap]
DanC: I added it while thinking about RDFa... some plans for RDFa involve adding a pointer from the XHTML namespace document to an RDFa transformation
16:10:30 [DanC_lap]
danja: why treat XHTML special? what about SVG?
16:11:58 [DanC_lap]
Murray: a better way would be for GRDDL processors to have config files... e.g. in an HL7 context, they'll want to cache HL7 namespaces...
16:13:53 [DanC_lap]
Chime: let's be explicit in one of 2 ways: (1) it's a stopping point; there's no transformations there (2) there's a transformation there, e.g. RDFa
16:14:49 [DanC_lap]
DanC: I think config files are a reasonable implementation approach, but as for the spec, that can be endorsed silently, under an implicit "do The Right Thing"
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Ron: what's the downside of being silent?
16:19:28 [DanC_lap]
DanC: one risk is that future implementations will follow current implementations, ...
16:20:47 [DanC_lap]
... which don't check the XHTML namespace documents; then RDFa folks try to deploy a transformation at the XHTML namespace document, and the grddl implementations would lose.
16:21:12 [DanC_lap]
Danny: how about some sort of "you should check that your copies are reasonably current"
16:21:27 [DanC_lap]
DanC: I think a health-warning like that is appropriate; are you willing to draft something?
16:21:53 [DanC_lap]
Danny: I think so
16:22:05 [DanC_lap]
ACTION Danja: draft a health warninng about caching namespace documents.
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Zakim, next item
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agendum 3. "[#issue-tx-element]" taken up
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-> danc on tx-element
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RESOLVED: to postpone issue-tx-element
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Zakim, next item
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agendum 4. "[#issue-conformance-labels]" taken up
16:29:24 [DanC_lap]
HH: we have adopted consistent terminology: GRDDL aware agent, source document, result [?]
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... though not conformance label yet
16:30:03 [chimezie]
My niave interpretation is that the spec defines what an agent is
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RESOLVED: to use consistent vocabulary, but not use them as conformance labels.
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Zakim, next item
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agendum 5. "[#issue-http-header-links]" taken up
16:31:00 [DanC_lap]
-> GRDDL links in HTTP? (new issue?)
16:31:09 [rreck]
can anyone just give zakim some commands, or is he tied to the scribe?
16:32:14 [danja]
for ref :
16:33:46 [chimezie]
rreck: anyone can (if you know the commands)
16:34:42 [DanC_lap]
ACTION IanD: propose some details for GRDDL links in HTTP
16:35:02 [DanC_lap]
anyone can, rreck
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Zakim, next item
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agendum 6. "Test cases for GRDDL with XML documents" taken up
16:37:02 [DanC_lap]
ACTION: DanC to give Brian McBride CVS access [CONTINUES]
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ACTION: HarryH to check in a test case on content negotiation [CONTINUES]
16:38:43 [DanC_lap]
. "Test suite version control"
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DanC: some progress on EARL
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Zakim, next item
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agendum 7. "[#issue-output-formats] whether GRDDL transformations may produce RDF in a format other than RDF/XML" taken up
16:40:14 [DanC_lap]
3 actions continue
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Zakim, next item
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agendum 7 was just opened, DanC_lap
16:40:20 [DanC_lap]
Zakim, close item 7
16:40:20 [Zakim]
agendum 7, [#issue-output-formats] whether GRDDL transformations may produce RDF in a format other than RDF/XML, closed
16:40:22 [Zakim]
I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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8. [#issue-mt-ns]
16:40:24 [DanC_lap]
Zakim, next item
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agendum 8. "[#issue-mt-ns]" taken up
16:40:37 [DanC_lap]
ACTION: Murry to draft paragraph giving us caveat for faithful infoset issue closure. [CONTINUES]
16:49:36 [DanC_lap]
current spec is: "If an information resource IR is represented by an XML document whose root node is" ...
16:54:36 [danja]
brb (log on fire)
17:14:09 [DanC_lap]
chime: is it coherent to say that both the xincluding-using and the not-xinclude-using outcomes are grddl resutls?
17:14:18 [DanC_lap]
Murray: yes, they're both GRDDL results
17:15:54 [Zakim]
17:15:56 [DanC_lap]
DanC: I think that's bad web architecture to allow this ambiguity, but I probably wouldn't object
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ACTION Chime: work on details of 2 allowed results of xinclude test
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Zakim, next item
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agendum 9. "[#issue-base-param]" taken up
17:17:13 [DanC_lap]
Harry: I'm having trouble running this test
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ACTION Danny: test #base-param and e-mail group
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Zakim, next item
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agendum 10. "Primer Document" taken up
17:19:31 [DanC_lap]
ACTION:Chime's add HL7 plain XML health care use-case and check it into test suite.
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-> chime's hl7 work
17:20:40 [DanC_lap]
HH: comments have asked for (1) plain XML, not XHTML, (2) something with non-trivial entialment
17:21:41 [DanC_lap]
ACTION Chime: propose some primer text for the hl7 case
17:22:00 [briansuda]
17:22:05 [rreck]
me neither
17:22:25 [briansuda]
sure, i email Ian and CC WG
17:22:42 [DanC_lap]
17:23:28 [DanC_lap]
ian, pls ack hh's request (I can't quite hear him)
17:23:37 [iand]
17:23:40 [DanC_lap]
HH: Ian, please [something
17:23:41 [DanC_lap]
Ian: OK
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s/something/link rq files/
17:24:04 [DanC_lap]
Zakim, is Fabien on the phone?
17:24:05 [Zakim]
I don't understand your question, DanC_lap.
17:24:10 [DanC_lap]
Zakim, is Fabien here?
17:24:11 [Zakim]
probably, DanC_lap; FabienG arrived 82 minutes ago
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ACTION: Fabien to post to sawsdl list relevant questions about RDF mapping and relationship to GRDDL
17:24:56 [DanC_lap]
fabien, continue that one? or withdraw?
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-- continues
17:25:47 [DanC_lap]
HH: note SAWSDL expanded scope to not just WSDL but also XML Schema. So this seems important.
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ACTION: DanC to add a sample implementation appendix to the GRDDL spec. [CONTINUES]
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate DanC_lap
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RRSAgent, make logs world-access
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SW_GRDDL()11:00AM has ended
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Attendees were +1.703.956.aaaa, DanC, rreck, Murray_Maloney, FabienG, briansuda, danja, Ian_Davis, chimezie, +1.919.457.aabb, HarryH
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Meeting: GRDDL Weekly
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Chair: HenryH
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate DanC_lap
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