See also: IRC log
start off with ivan providing an overview of IRC
review actions items & discuss progress re. questionairs
talk re. web developers to contact
discuss how we should be targeting them
finish w. progress on resource gathering
<ivan> http://www.w3.org/mid/457FCFDB.6080003@w3.org
most important IRC command: queue mgmnt
wiki page for this conference call:
http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/Meetings/2006-12-13_Conference_Call
ivan tells about the scribe script
please avoid using channel for parallel conversation because that clutters up the log
Kjetilk: works at Opera, getting interested in SemWeb
also interested in outread and education
just joined the group
Susie: may be a little early for [some of] these action items
working with Karen on questionaire
<Susie> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/CoreMessaging/Questionnaire
this is the latest version of the questionaire
decided to use a W3C web tool to do the questionaire
questions are in 4 main areas:
- general awareness
- implementations [that people may have done]
also: How do customers perceive your usage of Semantic Web technologies? (open dialogue)
- influencers [who makes decisions, ...]
- personal
should take 10 minutes to fill it out
<Susie> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/CoreMessaging/Questionnaire
have prepared a cover letter to go with the questionaire
<wing> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/CoreMessaging/Cover_Letter
please provide feedback by the end of the week
martin: would be useful to compare familiarity with semweb with other technologies like WWW, web 2.0, ...
karen: a good question.
it'd help us to better understand why people are using other technologies and which
lee: a bit surprised by length of q.
thinks it would take significantly longer than 10 minutes
especially the open dialogues
not convinced it is bad to have it longer
Karen will check with Ian about the web questionaire and if we can test how long it takes to fill in
martind suggested a wiki page "semantic web me" (?)
<martind> myths...
Lee: convinced we should not do this - lead people on questioning path about the myths
Susie: action items re. questionaire
add question re technologies - incorporate it in
<ivan> ACTION: susie & karen to finalize the questions [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-sweo-minutes.html#action01]
<ivan> ACTION: ivan to create the wbs form [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-sweo-minutes.html#action02]
<ivan> ACTION: karen to see with ian wether a test can be set up [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-sweo-minutes.html#action03]
to finalise the questionaire by end of tomorrow (ivan and karen)
deadline for feedback on q. - end of tomorrow
ivan needs to set up dates of start and end of questionaire
what are these dates?
in f2f was an action item when do we want to have input - end of january?
19th of jan
end date for q.
<ivan> ACTION: karen & susie to test the questionnaire by the 19th [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-sweo-minutes.html#action04]
danbri is here for the first time
does self-introduction
drawn in RDF world in 1997
mentions outreach in swad-et-shirts :)
is chairing semweb ig
<danbri> best thing we ever did, was make those tshirts!
+100 :)
<Susie> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/Use_Cases?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=DSC00202.JPG
in f2f decided to focus use cases:
- in industries (one dimension)
- government (another dimension)
target messaging to particular roles in organisation
3 dimentions: industries, job function, technology usage
think where inside of that "cube" (see photo) you'd be
kidehen: is there wiki space for it?
<Susie> Use case Web site: http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/Use_Cases
Susie posted background info and picture on the wiki
ivan: we should be careful to come up with real-world use cases
and not use cases we as techies like
need to look at them from the industry (e.g. oil) point of view
and come up with _real_ use cases
involving industry experts
Susie: need to targe at the right level
Frank: need to clarify use cases
<kidehen> kidehen: I have updated the heading in the Wiki
<kidehen> susie: note
ivan refers to business use cases
Frank is in energy sector and interested to develop these
ivan gave a connection in Norway and Frank will develop some use cases
Susie: could you give a date when we have some use cases?
<danbri> (there is a former Asemantics guy in Norway doing RDF+oil work btw... David Norheim. Is that the connection?)
17th of jan
deadline for [first?] use cases
Karen: make the cube an interactive tool
to allow you to choose slices to, e.g., look at use cases from CTO perspective
that would be a good way to present this info [in future]
review list of influential web developers
ivan put up a secure wiki
we have a list
few people don't have email addresses
please add if you know their addresses
also add if you have personal contact with them
Susie: not sure if web dev. community will respond as well to the web questionaire
maybe someone has thoughts on that
Susie: maybe send a questionaire first
<wing> uldis: security concerns about the members-only wiki pages
PaulW: who is original questionaire targeted towards?
Susie: to commercial organisations and vendors (software companies)
then decided to extend it to people who were not using SW already
5 min remaining
could someone scribe this question
did not catch it
PaulW: can reach out to people in UK
<wing> PaulW: addressing the developers is important
Susie: we could identify w3c members but not clear how it will scale
how to reach out to people not familiar with SW
may be mistake to assume they know what is SW
we should be targetting the "long tail"
should we have a press release?
that there is SWEO initiative
Susie: could PaulW collect ideas how to reach out to different people and present during next call(s)
<paulmiller> PaulW: happy to help you on that.
<PaulW> cheers Paul
kjetilk: don't think we should target the long tail
target people who [sound quality too low, did not catch]
<paulmiller> PaulW: no prob.
<wing> kjetilk: target the people writing the code
have running code which will impress a lot more people
kjetilk: write in IRC if scribe missed something
<LeeF> +1
<kjetilk> uldis: it's fine :-)
karen: q. was not targeted for dev. community
<Frank> I second Karen's comment
does not suggest to send it to dev. community
need different set of questions
use different approach
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wrapping up the call
did not have time for resource gathering progress
action for next call
<danbri> bye all
