IRC log of sweo on 2006-12-13
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-sweo-irc
- 15:48:09 [ivan]
- zakim, this will be sweo
- 15:48:09 [Zakim]
- ok, ivan; I see SW_SWEO()11:00AM scheduled to start in 12 minutes
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- rrsagent, set log public
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- Meeting: SWEO IG Weekly Telco
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- Chair: Susie
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- 15:56:37 [pasquale]
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- 15:56:45 [pasquale]
- hi all
- 15:56:48 [pasquale]
- good morning
- 15:56:50 [ivan]
- hello pasquale!
- 15:56:54 [pasquale]
- ciao
- 15:57:00 [ivan]
- good evening for me:-(
- 15:57:12 [pasquale]
- also for me ;-)
- 15:57:39 [kjetilk]
- good localtime()!
- 15:57:46 [pasquale]
- ahah
- 15:57:47 [LeeF]
- g'day, pasquale, kjetilk
- 15:57:59 [kjetilk]
- hi LeeF
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- zakim, code?
- 15:58:09 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 7936 (tel:+1.617.761.6200), LeeF
- 15:58:10 [pasquale]
- hi Leef
- 15:58:14 [LeeF]
- thanks, z.
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- SW_SWEO()11:00AM has now started
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- + +1.925.842.aaaa
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- +[IBMCambridge]
- 15:59:20 [ivan]
- zakim, dial ivan-617
- 15:59:20 [Zakim]
- ok, ivan; the call is being made
- 15:59:21 [Zakim]
- +Ivan
- 15:59:38 [LeeF]
- zakim, IBMCambridge holds LeeF and wing
- 15:59:38 [Zakim]
- +LeeF, wing; got it
- 15:59:50 [paulmiller]
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- + +1.781.273.aabb
- 15:59:54 [ivan]
- zakim, aaaa is frank
- 15:59:54 [Zakim]
- +frank; got it
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- +??P11
- 15:59:58 [kidehen]
- kidehen
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- 16:00:01 [Zakim]
- +??P15
- 16:00:12 [ivan]
- zakim, ??P11 susie
- 16:00:12 [Zakim]
- I don't understand '??P11 susie', ivan
- 16:00:18 [kidehen]
- kidehen
- 16:00:23 [ivan]
- zakim, ??P11 is susie
- 16:00:23 [Zakim]
- +susie; got it
- 16:00:33 [ivan]
- zakim ??P15 is kingsley
- 16:00:34 [Zakim]
- +??P18
- 16:00:40 [kidehen]
- kingsley is kidehen
- 16:00:45 [ivan]
- zakim, ??P15 is kingsley
- 16:00:47 [Zakim]
- +kingsley; got it
- 16:00:53 [danbri]
- Hi folks. I'll be joining from Skype dial-in. It proved patchy quality yesterday, here's hoping for today.
- 16:01:06 [kidehen]
- 781 is kidehen/kingsley
- 16:01:10 [kjetilk]
- could be me
- 16:01:19 [ivan]
- zakim, ??P15 is uldis
- 16:01:19 [Zakim]
- I already had ??P15 as kingsley, ivan
- 16:01:35 [kjetilk]
- zakim, who do you see?
- 16:01:37 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, kjetilk.
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- +??P26
- 16:01:43 [Frank]
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- +??P24
- 16:02:18 [uldis]
- ina joined
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- zakim, ??P26 is ina
- 16:02:23 [Zakim]
- +ina; got it
- 16:02:26 [kjetilk]
- how do I get Zakim to say which aren't identified?
- 16:02:32 [ivan]
- zakim, ??P24 is martin
- 16:02:38 [Zakim]
- +martin; got it
- 16:02:48 [martind]
- thanks for giving me id ;-)
- 16:02:50 [LeeF]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 16:02:51 [ivan]
- ScribeNick: uldis
- 16:03:00 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see frank, [IBMCambridge], Ivan, +1.781.273.aabb, susie, kingsley, ??P18, ina, martin
- 16:03:02 [Zakim]
- [IBMCambridge] has LeeF, wing
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- +Ian_Davis
- 16:03:23 [ivan]
- zakim, Ian_Davis is paulmiller
- 16:03:32 [Zakim]
- +paulmiller; got it
- 16:04:25 [ivan]
- zakim, ??P18 uldis
- 16:04:26 [Zakim]
- I don't understand '??P18 uldis', ivan
- 16:04:37 [ivan]
- zakim, ??P18 is uldis
- 16:04:37 [Zakim]
- +uldis; got it
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- +Orri
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- 16:05:33 [uldis]
- start off with ivan providing an overview of IRC
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- review actions items & discuss progress re. questionairs
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- talk re. web developers to contact
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- discuss how we should be targeting them
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- finish w. progress on resource gathering
- 16:06:59 [ivan]
- http://www.w3.org/mid/457FCFDB.6080003@w3.org
- 16:07:22 [ivan]
- q+
- 16:07:41 [ivan]
- q?
- 16:07:46 [ivan]
- ack q
- 16:07:50 [uldis]
- most important IRC command: queue mgmnt
- 16:07:55 [ivan]
- ack ivan
- 16:08:10 [Zakim]
- +Karen
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- +??P2
- 16:08:32 [ivan]
- zakim, ??P2 is dave
- 16:08:32 [Zakim]
- +dave; got it
- 16:09:30 [uldis]
- wiki page for this conference call:
- 16:09:31 [uldis]
- http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/Meetings/2006-12-13_Conference_Call
- 16:10:10 [uldis]
- ivan tells about the scribe script
- 16:10:53 [uldis]
- please avoid using channel for parallel conversation because that clutters up the log
- 16:12:11 [ivan]
- zakim, who is speaking
- 16:12:11 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'who is speaking', ivan
- 16:12:14 [Zakim]
- +[IPcaller]
- 16:12:30 [ivan]
- zakim, IPcaller is kjetilk
- 16:12:30 [Zakim]
- +kjetilk; got it
- 16:12:32 [kjetilk]
- Zakim: IPcaller is KjetilK
- 16:13:16 [uldis]
- who is introducing himself now?
- 16:13:19 [uldis]
- kjetilk?
- 16:13:22 [kjetilk]
- yup
- 16:13:45 [uldis]
- works at Opera, getting interested in SemWeb
- 16:13:55 [uldis]
- also interested in outread and education
- 16:13:58 [uldis]
- just joined the group
- 16:14:41 [uldis]
- paul walsh also first time on the call
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- ---
- 16:14:50 [ivan]
- Topic: Action items
- 16:15:25 [uldis]
- Susie: may be a little early for [some of] these action items
- 16:16:03 [uldis]
- working with Karen on questionaire
- 16:16:53 [Susie]
- http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/CoreMessaging/Questionnaire
- 16:17:40 [uldis]
- this is the latest version of the questionaire
- 16:18:17 [uldis]
- decided to use a W3C web tool to do the questionaire
- 16:18:43 [PaulW]
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- questions are in 4 main areas:
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- - general awareness
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- - implementations [that people may have done]
- 16:19:55 [martind]
- q+
- 16:19:59 [uldis]
- also: How do customers perceive your usage of Semantic Web technologies? (open dialogue)
- 16:20:45 [ivan]
- q+
- 16:20:50 [uldis]
- - influencers [who makes decisions, ...]
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- - personal
- 16:21:42 [danbri]
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- 16:21:43 [uldis]
- should take 10 minutes to fill it out
- 16:21:57 [Susie]
- http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/CoreMessaging/Questionnaire
- 16:22:05 [uldis]
- have prepared a cover letter to go with the questionaire
- 16:22:32 [wing]
- http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/CoreMessaging/Cover_Letter
- 16:22:47 [uldis]
- please provide feedback by the end of the week
- 16:22:47 [ivan]
- q?
- 16:22:54 [Susie]
- q?
- 16:23:02 [ivan]
- ack martind
- 16:23:38 [ivan]
- q-
- 16:23:42 [LeeF]
- q+ to express fear that the survey might be too long
- 16:23:59 [Zakim]
- +??P8
- 16:24:04 [uldis]
- martin: would be useful to compare familiarity with semweb with other technologies like WWW, web 2.0, ...
- 16:24:08 [danbri]
- ??P8 is danbri
- 16:24:14 [danbri]
- zakim, ??P8 is danbri
- 16:24:14 [Zakim]
- +danbri; got it
- 16:24:23 [Susie]
- q?
- 16:24:59 [uldis]
- is it karen?
- 16:25:03 [wing]
- yes
- 16:25:04 [LeeF]
- yes
- 16:25:05 [ivan]
- yes
- 16:25:14 [uldis]
- karen: a good question.
- 16:25:35 [uldis]
- it'd help us to better understand why people are using other technologies and which
- 16:25:36 [ivan]
- ack LeeF
- 16:25:38 [Zakim]
- LeeF, you wanted to express fear that the survey might be too long
- 16:25:42 [danbri]
- danbri has changed the topic to: sweo 13dec agenda: http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/Meetings/2006-12-13_Conference_Call
- 16:25:54 [uldis]
- lee: a bit surprised by length of q.
- 16:25:54 [martind]
- q+
- 16:26:04 [uldis]
- thinks it would take significantly longer than 10 minutes
- 16:26:13 [uldis]
- especially the open dialogues
- 16:26:38 [uldis]
- not convinced it is bad to have it longer
- 16:27:35 [ivan]
- ack martind
- 16:27:48 [uldis]
- Karen will check with Ian about the web questionaire and if we can test how long it takes to fill in
- 16:28:09 [uldis]
- martind suggested a wiki page "semantic web me" (?)
- 16:28:22 [martind]
- myths...
- 16:28:36 [ivan]
- +2
- 16:28:43 [uldis]
- kidehen: convinced we should not do this - lead people on questioning path about the myths
- 16:28:57 [LeeF]
- that was Lee
- 16:28:58 [ivan]
- s/kidehen/Lee/
- 16:29:05 [uldis]
- oh, sorry. thanks
- 16:29:05 [kidehen]
- :-)
- 16:29:41 [uldis]
- Susie: action items re. questionaire
- 16:29:46 [ivan]
- q+
- 16:29:55 [uldis]
- add question re technologies - incorporate it in
- 16:30:01 [ivan]
- action: susie & karen to finalize the questions
- 16:30:09 [ivan]
- action: ivan to create the wbs form
- 16:30:24 [ivan]
- action: karen to see with ian wether a test can be set up
- 16:30:48 [uldis]
- to finalise the questionaire by end of tomorrow (ivan and karen)
- 16:30:54 [ivan]
- ack ivan
- 16:32:13 [uldis]
- deadline for feedback on q. - end of tomorrow
- 16:32:32 [uldis]
- ivan needs to set up dates of start and end of questionaire
- 16:32:39 [uldis]
- what are these dates?
- 16:33:24 [uldis]
- in f2f was an action item when do we want to have input - end of january?
- 16:33:49 [uldis]
- 19th of jan
- 16:33:56 [uldis]
- end date for q.
- 16:34:57 [ivan]
- action karen & susie to test the questionnaire by the 19th
- 16:35:11 [ivan]
- action: karen & susie to test the questionnaire by the 19th
- 16:35:18 [ivan]
- topic: use case identification
- 16:35:54 [uldis]
- danbri is here for the first time
- 16:36:04 [uldis]
- does self-introduction
- 16:36:07 [paulmiller]
- danbri: Hi... :-)
- 16:36:25 [uldis]
- drawn in RDF world in 1997
- 16:37:17 [uldis]
- mentions outreach in swad-et-shirts :)
- 16:37:37 [uldis]
- was chairing semweb ig
- 16:37:57 [danbri]
- best thing we ever did, was make those tshirts!
- 16:38:06 [uldis]
- +100 :)
- 16:38:07 [paulmiller]
- uldis: *is* chairing...
- 16:38:14 [Susie]
- http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/Use_Cases?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=DSC00202.JPG
- 16:38:19 [uldis]
- paulmiller: thanx
- 16:38:24 [uldis]
- topic: Use cases
- 16:38:53 [uldis]
- in f2f decided to focus use cases:
- 16:39:02 [uldis]
- - in industries (one dimention)
- 16:39:13 [uldis]
- - government (another dimension)
- 16:39:26 [ivan]
- s/dimention/dimension/
- 16:39:36 [uldis]
- target messaging to particular roles in organisation
- 16:39:57 [uldis]
- 3 dimentions: industries, job function, technology usage
- 16:40:49 [ivan]
- q?
- 16:40:56 [uldis]
- think where inside of that "cube" (see photo) you'd be
- 16:41:05 [uldis]
- kidehen: is there wiki space for it?
- 16:41:20 [Susie]
- Use case Web site: http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/Use_Cases
- 16:41:54 [ivan]
- q+
- 16:42:22 [uldis]
- Susie posted background info and picture on the wiki
- 16:42:25 [ivan]
- ack ivan
- 16:42:51 [uldis]
- ivan: we should be careful to come up with real-world use cases
- 16:43:03 [uldis]
- and not use cases we as techies like
- 16:43:13 [Frank]
- q+
- 16:43:25 [uldis]
- need to look at them from the industry (e.g. oil) point of view
- 16:43:32 [uldis]
- and come up with _real_ use cases
- 16:43:46 [uldis]
- involving industry experts
- 16:44:28 [ivan]
- ack Frank
- 16:44:29 [uldis]
- Susie: need to targe at the right level
- 16:44:38 [uldis]
- Frank: need to clarify use cases
- 16:44:40 [kidehen]
- kidehen: I have updated the heading in the Wiki
- 16:44:51 [kidehen]
- susie: note
- 16:44:54 [uldis]
- ivan refers to business use cases
- 16:45:10 [uldis]
- Frank is in energy sector and interested to develop these
- 16:45:32 [paulmiller]
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- 16:45:44 [uldis]
- ivan gave a connection in Norway and Frank will develop some use cases
- 16:45:51 [ivan]
- q+ karen
- 16:46:05 [paulmiller]
- Not sure what happened there... all the other channels I'm on stayed connected...
- 16:46:18 [uldis]
- Susie: could you give a date when we have some use cases?
- 16:46:20 [danbri]
- (there is a former Asemantics guy in Norway doing RDF+oil work btw... David Norheim. Is that the connection?)
- 16:46:21 [uldis]
- 17th of jan
- 16:46:25 [ivan]
- ack karen
- 16:46:43 [uldis]
- deadline for [first?] use cases
- 16:46:55 [uldis]
- Karen: make the cube an interactive tool
- 16:47:10 [uldis]
- to allow you to choose slices to, e.g., look at use cases from CTO perspective
- 16:47:30 [uldis]
- that would be a good way to present this info [in future]
- 16:47:53 [uldis]
- LeeF: in Second Life :)
- 16:48:09 [LeeF]
- uldis, ooooooooooooo =)
- 16:48:11 [ivan]
- q?
- 16:48:13 [martind]
- (y)
- 16:48:18 [uldis]
- ivan: they do exist, i think
- 16:48:25 [ivan]
- topic: web developer community
- 16:48:42 [uldis]
- review list of influential web developers
- 16:48:49 [uldis]
- ivan put up a secure wiki
- 16:48:59 [uldis]
- we have a list
- 16:49:06 [uldis]
- few people don't have email addresses
- 16:49:12 [uldis]
- please add if you know their addresses
- 16:49:25 [uldis]
- also add if you have personal contact with them
- 16:49:27 [ivan]
- -> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/group/wiki/InfluentialPeople
- 16:49:34 [uldis]
- (drankBeerWith? :)
- 16:50:01 [Zakim]
- This conference is scheduled to end in 10 minutes; 10 ports must be freed
- 16:50:29 [uldis]
- Susie: not sure if web dev. community will respond as well to the web questionaire
- 16:50:43 [Susie]
- q?
- 16:50:58 [uldis]
- q+
- 16:51:05 [uldis]
- maybe someone has thoughts on that
- 16:51:13 [uldis]
- Susie: maybe send a questionaire first
- 16:51:15 [PaulW]
- q+
- 16:51:21 [ivan]
- ack uldis
- 16:52:15 [kjetilk]
- q+
- 16:52:16 [wing]
- uldis: security concerns about the members-only wiki pages
- 16:52:46 [uldis]
- PaulW: who is original questionaire targeted towards?
- 16:52:57 [kjetilk]
- q-
- 16:53:02 [uldis]
- Susie: to commercial organisations and vendors (software companies)
- 16:53:15 [uldis]
- then decided to extend it to people who were not using SW already
- 16:54:21 [kjetilk]
- q+
- 16:54:23 [uldis]
- 5 min remaining
- 16:54:35 [uldis]
- could someone scribe this question
- 16:54:39 [uldis]
- did not catch it
- 16:54:55 [uldis]
- PaulW: can reach out to people in UK
- 16:55:02 [Zakim]
- This conference is scheduled to end in 5 minutes; 10 ports must be freed
- 16:55:23 [wing]
- PaulW: addressing the developers is important
- 16:55:32 [ivan]
- q+ karen
- 16:55:36 [ivan]
- ack PaulW
- 16:55:46 [ivan]
- ack PaulW
- 16:56:00 [uldis]
- Susie: we could identify w3c members but not clear how it will scale
- 16:56:30 [uldis]
- how to reach out to people not familiar with SW
- 16:56:42 [uldis]
- may be mistake to assume they know what is SW
- 16:57:01 [uldis]
- we should be targetting the "long tail"
- 16:57:09 [uldis]
- should we have a press release?
- 16:57:15 [uldis]
- that there is SWEO initiative
- 16:57:42 [uldis]
- Susie: could PaulW collect ideas how to reach out to different people and present during next call(s)
- 16:58:01 [paulmiller]
- PaulW: happy to help you on that.
- 16:58:02 [Zakim]
- This conference is scheduled to end in 2 minutes; 10 ports must be freed
- 16:58:44 [Susie]
- q?
- 16:58:49 [PaulW]
- cheers Paul
- 16:58:55 [ivan]
- ack kjetilk
- 16:59:02 [Zakim]
- This conference is scheduled to end in 1 minute; 10 ports must be freed
- 16:59:22 [uldis]
- kjetilk: don't think we should target the long tail
- 16:59:41 [uldis]
- target people who [sound quality too low, did not catch]
- 16:59:45 [PaulW]
- q+
- 16:59:49 [paulmiller]
- PaulW: no prob.
- 16:59:56 [wing]
- kjetilk: target the people writing the code
- 17:00:01 [Zakim]
- This conference is scheduled to end now; 10 ports must be freed immediately
- 17:00:04 [uldis]
- have running code which will impress a lot more people
- 17:00:07 [Zakim]
- The time reserved for this conference has been exceeded. 10 ports must be freed
- 17:00:27 [uldis]
- kjetilk: write in IRC if scribe missed something
- 17:00:34 [ivan]
- ack karen
- 17:00:48 [LeeF]
- +1
- 17:00:51 [kjetilk]
- uldis: it's fine :-)
- 17:00:51 [uldis]
- karen: q. was not targeted for dev. community
- 17:01:01 [Frank]
- I second Karen's comment
- 17:01:04 [uldis]
- does not suggest to send it to dev. community
- 17:01:11 [uldis]
- need different set of questions
- 17:01:16 [uldis]
- use different approach
- 17:01:18 [uldis]
- ---
- 17:01:22 [uldis]
- wrapping up the call
- 17:01:29 [uldis]
- did not have time for resource gathering progress
- 17:01:35 [uldis]
- action for next call
- 17:02:01 [Zakim]
- -kjetilk
- 17:02:01 [Frank]
- Frank has left #SWEO
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- -susie
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- -Karen
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- -kingsley
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- wing has left #sweo
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- -Orri
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- - +1.781.273.aabb
- 17:02:19 [Zakim]
- -frank
- 17:02:20 [danbri]
- bye all
- 17:02:21 [Zakim]
- -paulmiller
- 17:02:21 [ivan]
- zakim, bye
- 17:02:23 [Zakim]
- -dave
- 17:02:23 [PaulW]
- PaulW has left #sweo
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- -[IBMCambridge]
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- -danbri
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- -Ivan
- 17:02:33 [Zakim]
- -uldis
- 17:02:37 [Zakim]
- -martin
- 17:02:41 [ivan]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 17:02:41 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/12/13-sweo-minutes.html ivan
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- martind has left #SWEO
- 17:02:59 [Zakim]
- leaving. As of this point the attendees were +1.925.842.aaaa, Ivan, LeeF, wing, +1.781.273.aabb, frank, susie, kingsley, ina, martin, paulmiller, uldis, Orri, Karen, dave,
- 17:03:02 [Zakim]
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- ... kjetilk, danbri
- 17:03:11 [pasquale]
- ...pasquale
- 17:04:10 [uldis]
- was nice to hear everyone again
- 17:04:20 [uldis]
- uldis has left #sweo
- 17:04:33 [pasquale]
- hi all, bye
- 17:05:23 [kjetilk]
- bye!
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