W3C

Web Services Policy
2 Aug 2006

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Philippe, Monica, Chris Ferris, Jong Lee, Ashok Malhotra, Dale, Fabian, William, Yakov, Prasad Yendluri, Sanka, Jeffrey Crump, ?, Paul Cotton, Tom Jordahl, Tony, Glen, Daniel, Umit, Richard, Frederick Hirsch, Asir
Regrets
Felix, Seumas, Charlton
Chair
Chris
Scribe
Prasad

Contents


Agenda review

Chris: Include discussion of primer inserted after the AI discussion

Ashok: I requested agenda item discussion of how many messages you can have .. resulting from AI in Austin. See REQUEST FOR AGENDA ITEM re. http://www.w3.org/2006/07/12-ws-policy-minutes.html#action05.

Approval of last telcon minutes

Previous minutes

Paul: amendments to minutes from Asir.

Chris: Amend the minutes to record the AIs closed

ACTION: editors to implement the resolution for issue 3562. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/02-ws-policy-minutes.html#action01]

ACTION: Philippe to amend the minutes per Asir's mail [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/02-ws-policy-minutes.html#action02]

RESOLUTION: Minutes approved with amendment

F2F meeting

Chris: Paul and I think best to go with Sonic offer in Nov, so we confirmed Nov F2F at Sonic.

RESOLUTION: November 7-9 f2f hosted by Sonic Software, in Bedford, MA

Paul: BEA confirms F2F 16-18th Jan in SFO is ok

RESOLUTION: January 16-18 f2f hosted by BEA, in San Franscisco, CA

ACTION: Jong Lee to provide Felix Logistics infor for F2F of Jan 07 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/02-ws-policy-minutes.html#action09]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-39 - Lee to provide Felix Logistics infor for F2F of Jan 16-18, 2007 [on Jong Lee - due 2006-08-09].

Working Group Drafts

Chris: Congrats to WG on publication of WG Draft

ACTION: Philippe to check on email notification of publication of WG (obligation) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/02-ws-policy-minutes.html#action03]

Working Group Tools

Chris: Major change new issues submitted into Bugzilla
... All bugs must be entered into bugzilla. Felix sent out FAQ, I updated FAQ
... Owner responsible shephearding the issue

Prasad: Are we doing both sending NEW ISSUE to list as well as bugzilla?

Chris: No, Bugzilla should send a notification to list. Currently not working

Umit: Clarification on issue owner

Chris: Owner is admin of the issue

Asir: Some of the issues all links are not in Bugzilla.
... Title of the issue changes in Buzilla notification

Chris: Owners include link to original issue in Bugzilla

Asir: None of the Editorial AIs are in Tracker

ACTION: Chris to ck on separate tracker for Editorial AIs [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/02-ws-policy-minutes.html#action04]

Action Items Review

See Actions

AI 2 and 8 DONE

AI 10, 11 DONE

AI 14, 18 DONE

AI 21 DONE

AI 22 and 25 CLOSED

AI 23 and 26 are DUPLICATES

AI 23 and 26 CLOSED

AI 29 and 31 CLOSED

AI 30 CLOSED

AI 12 CLOSED (duplicate of 13)

AI 1 CLOSED

Primer outline

Maryann: Walks through the outline (Umit and Maryann had offline discussions). See also outline for the Guidelines for WS-Policy Assertion Authors document

Editorial and wording changing issues

Issue 3545 — use of {any} and {@any} in xpath-like expressions not defined in Notational Conventions section

Asir: Accept and assign to editors

Chris: Objections?

None

ACTION: Editors to implement the resolution for issue 3545 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/02-ws-policy-minutes.html#action05]

RESOLUTION: issue 3545 closed by assigning to editors to address this in the next draft. 3547 closed (Captured in Asir's amendment to last week's minutes)

ACTION: William to update 3547 with link to last wek's minutes [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/02-ws-policy-minutes.html#action06]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-38 - Update 3547 with link to last week\'s minutes [on William Henry - due 2006-08-09].

Issue 3551 — Misc. (editorial) corrections throughout

[Prasad describes his issue... purely editorial changes...]

<asir> +1 to these editorial changes

<umit> +1 to changes

RESOLUTION: Issue 3551 closed and assigned to editors

ACTION: Editors to implement the resolution for issue 3551 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/02-ws-policy-minutes.html#action07]

Issue 3556 — Suggested rewording of Introduction to WS-PolicyAttachment

Ashok: I had comments from Asir and Frederick

<Yakov> +1 to WS-Addressing

Asir: I don't like Non-Goals in intro

Chris: No consensus. Taking back to list

Issue 3558 — Remove example of use of domain expressions in section 4.2

Ashok: I am suggesting we remove the example

Maryann: One at the end of section?

Ashok: yes

Umit: Need better example than remove it

Chris: Agrees with Umit and it is a minor technical issue

Paul: When people create buzilla entry add a hyperlink to which doc you are referring to

<cferris> paul makes a great suggestion that bugzilla entries be augmented with a link into the published draft to which a particular issue pertains

Minor Technical Issues

Issue 3543 — Definion of the term "processor" is poorly defined

Paul: In attachment the processor word occurs only in notiational convention

Chris: In both it is only in Notational Conventions

<TomJ> I said that we should remove the concept of processor in the spec entirely

Maryann: Delete the entire section?

<TomJ> Experience from WSDL working group indicates that is causes more trouble than its worth

Paul: No. Someone needs to propose an amendment

<Yakov> +1

Asir: Leave it to editors?

ACTION: Editors to get rid of the term 'processor' in WS-Policy and WS-PolicyAttachment (issue 3543) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/02-ws-policy-minutes.html#action08]

<umit> Leave it to editors with passive voice

RESOLUTION: issue 3543 closed assigned to editors - change last sentence putting in passive voice, and eliminate term processor

Issue 3557 — Add discussion/examples of domain expressions

<umit> is it possible to link these emails that Ashok is referring to to the bug?

Issue 3549 — Require assertions to be distinguished from parameter elements

Skipped

Issue 3554 — "Policy Alternatives" and "Policy" need proper definition

Skipped. Prasad to provide more info / examples

Issue 3561 — Usage of Internationalized Resource Identifiers for W3C WS-Policy

Major Technical Issues

Issue 3564 — Optional Assertions may not be usable in all circumstances

[Umit describes the issue]

<Yakov> I am against b1

Glen: We need at least something like Umit's option C
... Optiona A seems to venture into negotiation space

Umit: I definitely think option C is a must, however I do not believe a solution suggested in A to this problem ventures into negotiation. Let me explain. Negotiation means a lot of different things to different people, from a third party communicating sets of policies of two separate parties on behalf of those parties to exchange of policies between the parties. In this case, what I intended for A is a "selection mechanism" not a negotiation mechanism on behalf of a requestor. The sender is not exchanging its policies with the receiver, the receiver knows that there are alternates due to optional assertions but needs to choose one. My suggestion is to define a header to "select" an alternative that disambiguates the presence of an optional assertion when needed (analogous to mustUnderstand) After all, an optional assertion yields two alternatives, one with and one without the assertion after normalization on the receiver.

Nadalin: Umits description seems to mix alternatives and optionality

Umit: An optional assertion results in two alternatives as a result of normalization. The question is which one to select.

<maryann> so that's your second case

Dan: seeks clarification on what is meant by optional assertion. Assertion with @optional on it?

Umit: Yes

<umit> Can everyone speaking send the comments that made to the list? We are not capturing the discussion. I will create a thread

<Nadalin> ok

Chris: Out of time. Discussion to continue on the list / bugzilla

Patent Policy

Philippe: Call for exclusions didn't start yet, see Web Services Policy Patent Policy status. The reference draft for the call for exclusions is the latest public working draft within 90 days after the first public Working Draft (see section 4.1, "Exclusion With Continued Participation"). By the way, Call for Exclusions are copied to member-cfe.

Paul: It gives people lot of time to resign from WG without impacting the effort

Philippe: Yes, A participant may resign from the Working Group within 90 days after the publication of the first public Working Draft and be excused from all licensing commitments arising out of Working Group participation.

Paul: Can we have WG notified that Clock on the Exclusions has started

ACTION: Philippe to determine with IAN Jacobs if fesible to send an email to WG to start membership review period [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/02-ws-policy-minutes.html#action10]

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Chris to ck on separate tracker for Editorial AIs [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/02-ws-policy-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Editors to get rid of the term 'processor' in WS-Policy and WS-PolicyAttachment (issue 3543) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/02-ws-policy-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: Editors to implement the resolution for issue 3545 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/02-ws-policy-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Editors to implement the resolution for issue 3551 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/02-ws-policy-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: editors to implement the resolution for issue 3562. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/02-ws-policy-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Jong Lee to provide Felix Logistics infor for F2F of Jan 07 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/02-ws-policy-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: Philippe to amend the minutes per Asir's mail [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/02-ws-policy-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Philippe to determine with IAN Jacobs if fesible to send an email to WG to start membership review period [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/02-ws-policy-minutes.html#action10]
[NEW] ACTION: William to update 3547 with link to last wek's minutes [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/02-ws-policy-minutes.html#action06]
[DONE] ACTION: Philippe to check on email notification of publication of WG (obligation) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/02-ws-policy-minutes.html#action03]
 
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