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Web Services Addressing WG Teleconference
27 Mar 2006

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Regrets
Hugo
Chair
Bob Freund
Scribe
Philippe

Contents


 

Hugo is sick and went to bed. I'll fill in for him today.

<bob> Thanks Philippe, I hope it is nothing serious

fever from what he said and he was tired. not the right week to get som rest in Europe given the time change

<bob> I hope that he was not manning the barracades at the Sorbonne

I didn't ask him if he was involved in the troubles in Paris, but I have a hard time imagining him on the barricades

<bob> I managed to be right across the street when several vans full of riot police spilled out and started chasing the demonstrators

<bob> reminded me of 1968

<bob> only then I was on the other side of the police line

<Bozhong> ipcaller->bozhong

<bob> I am muted

<scribe> Scribe: Philippe

Call for correction for past week minutes

Last week minutes: http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/addr/6/03/20-ws-addr-minutes.html

No objection

Resolution: minutes accepted

Action items

<scribe> ACTION: [DONE] 2006-03-03: Hugo Haas to draft mapping to CM of UsingAddressing. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/03/27-ws-addr-minutes.html#action01]

<scribe> ACTION: [DONE] 2006-03-20: Editors to Review wsdl document for RFC2119 usage by 2006-03-27 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/03/27-ws-addr-minutes.html#action02]

Marc: every place with may, must, should comply with RFC2119

Proposed and New issues

Bob: lc120, lc121, lc122 are new issues
... will go through those today

Issue LC112

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-addressing/2006Mar/0075.html Changes for LC112 resolution

"I had a doubt about the resolution for {anonymous required}" -- Hugo

-> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2004/ws/addressing/ws-addr-wsdl.html?rev=1.43&content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8#wsdl20_usingaddressing proposed changes for LC112

Jonathan: looks fine to me.

Bob: objection to accept the text?

Resolution: text from Hugo regarding LC112 is accepted

<scribe> ACTION: Editors to remove editorial note in section 3.1.1. text from Hugo is accepted. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/03/27-ws-addr-minutes.html#action03]

Topci: lc 120

<bob> Here are a few editorial comments on the Last Call Working Draft

<bob> Section 1:" (for backwards compatibility" is missing a closing bracket

<bob> Section 4.2.3: "the property value is the value of the wsaw:action

<bob> attribute" should be wsaw:Action

<bob> Section 4.2.4: "In the absence of the wsa:Action attribute" should be

<bob> wsaw:Action

<bob> Example 4.1 title uses wsaw:Action and titles for 4.2, 4.5, 4.8, 4.9 use

<bob> wsa:Action. All examples show similar things. Both wsa:Action and

<bob> wsaw:Action make sense in this context but it should be consistent.

<bob> David

Bob: objection to accept those changes?

Resolution: accepted the proposed changes in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-addressing-comments/2006Mar/0005.html

Anish: so, do we change it to wsaw:Action, or do we leave it as wsa:Action?

Marc: I think it should be wsa:Action in the examples

<GlenD> +1 to Marc

Marc: we only change the first one in first example of 4.1. Others are fine.

Resolution: change title in example 4.1 to use wsa:Action

<scribe> ACTION: editors will go through section 4 and modify it to be consistent [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/03/27-ws-addr-minutes.html#action04]

Bob: I'll mark the issue as closed with editorial pending

lc 121

<scribe> closed following http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-addressing/2006Mar/0081.html

original issue was at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-addressing/2006Mar/0078.html

Resolution: lc 121 is closed with Marc suggestions

lc 122

<bob> EDITORIAL SUGGESTION:

<bob> Section 2.1

<bob> Do we need to specify cardinality for InterfaceName, ServiceName and

<bob> EndpointName - i.e. to ensure that there are never multiple ones

<bob> specified?

<bob> Section 2.2

<bob> As above but with embedded WSDL definitions - do we need to specify max

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-addressing/2006Mar/0079.html Specifying cardinality of WSDL Metadata

<bob> 1?

Katy: I always assumed that the interface name only occured once in an EPR, also for service name, or endpoit name but we don't specify that anywhere

Jonathan: I can imagine a bunch of WSDL that describe the same service with different names (translation, ...)

<anish> would that belong in the same EPR, jonathan?

Jonathan: right now, we're not restricting to one, and don't have a use case for it. But can't imagine why we should restrict.

<anish> +1 to bob

Bob: then it should be clear in the document that it is not limited
... objection to specify the cardinality to 0.. ?

<anish> xml:lang ?

Tony: if we support the use of multiple languages, then it should useful to specify the language on them as well to support the local

Jonathan: could be done through extensibility

Bob: seems a WSDL issue in general?

Marc: an obvious use case is to include a WSDL 1.1 and WSDL 2.0 reference

Katy: how would you know which one reference which anyway?

Marc: you'll need to dereference the service

Glen: you should encapsulate them into an element or restrict the cardinality to one
... if we restrict to one, people can use extensibility anyway

Katy: you'll need to own client to handle the case then

Glen: that would be the case anyway. you need to have some out-of-band mechanism to understand the meaning anyway
... if we're going to allow several, let's make the syntax clear, or we should restrict to one
... we would need an element to do the paring between the service name and the interface name

Katy: maybe the issue is how often would people use this?

Bob: so restrict to one?

Katy: if we restrict to one, it would be one of each, right?

Marc: they are combinable indeed

Katy: can you specify an interface and embed some WSDL?

Glen: as long as the interface matches the WSDL, sure.

Jonathan: do we say that in the spec?

Katy: [quoting text] yes, it's covered.

Bob: objection to restrict the cardinality to one?

Resolution: lc 122 closed. cardinality for ServiceName, InterfaceName, EndpointName limited to one.

<scribe> ACTION: Editors to limited cardinality for ServiceName, InterfaceName, EndpointName [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/03/27-ws-addr-minutes.html#action05]

Future

Bob: how many more issues should we expect?

Glen: don't think you'll get some from us.

Jonathan: expecting to get some this week. A couple of them are interesting.

Bob: we'll schedule next week call for one hour only as well
... we'll be in summer time next week in the US.
... we'll keep it 4pm US/Eastern
... we also need to start looking for implementations

Glen: and a test suite

Bob: we'll want to progress this to CR fast.
... the PR review for Core and SOAP Binding is ongoing.

Philippe: no objection so far I think

Paul: I started a discussion thread on the list about next steps.
... what does it mean, etc.

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Editors to limited cardinality for ServiceName, InterfaceName, EndpointName [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/03/27-ws-addr-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Editors to remove editorial note in section 3.1.1. text from Hugo is accepted. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/03/27-ws-addr-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: editors will go through section 4 and modify it to be consistent [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/03/27-ws-addr-minutes.html#action04]
 
[DONE] ACTION: 2006-03-03: Hugo Haas to draft mapping to CM of UsingAddressing. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/03/27-ws-addr-minutes.html#action01]
[DONE] ACTION: 2006-03-20: Editors to Review wsdl document for RFC2119 usage by 2006-03-27 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/03/27-ws-addr-minutes.html#action02]
 
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