IRC log of ws-addr on 2006-03-27
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- zakim, this will be ws_addrwg
- 20:40:36 [Zakim]
- ok, bob; I see WS_AddrWG()4:00PM scheduled to start in 20 minutes
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- Meeting: Web Services Addressing WG Teleconference
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- Chair: Bob Freund
- 20:41:51 [plh]
- Hugo is sick and went to bed. I'll fill in for him today.
- 20:42:26 [bob]
- Agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/7D5D3FDA429F4D469ADF210408D6245A03914D@jeeves.freunds.com
- 20:43:24 [bob]
- Thanks Philippe, I hope it is nothing serious
- 20:44:34 [plh]
- fever from what he said and he was tired. not the right week to get som rest in Europe given the time change
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- I hope that he was not manning the barracades at the Sorbonne
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- I didn't ask him if he was involve in the troubles in Paris, but I have a hard time imagining him on the barricades
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- s/involve/involved/
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- WS_AddrWG()4:00PM has now started
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- +Bob_Freund
- 20:54:39 [bob]
- I managed to be right across the street when several vans full of riot police spilled out and started chasing the demonstrators
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- reminded me of 1968
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- only then I was on the other side of the police line
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- +David_Illsley
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- +Nilo
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- +??P3
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- zakim, ??p3 is me
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- +TonyR; got it
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- +[IPcaller]
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- ipcaller->bozhong
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- zakim, ipcaller is bozhong
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- +bozhong; got it
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- zakim, call plh-work
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- ok, plh; the call is being made
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- +Plh
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- +??P5
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- +Pete_Wenzel
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- +Tom_Rutt
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- -bozhong
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- +Jonathan_Marsh
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- Regrets: Hugo
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- +[IPcaller]
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- +Gilbert_Pilz
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- zakim, who's making noise?
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- +[IPcaller.a]
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- +Anish
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- plh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Bob_Freund (54%), Gilbert_Pilz (4%), [IPcaller] (17%), ??P13 (57%), Plh (18%)
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- Zakim, +[IPcaller] is bozhong
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- +Dave_Hull
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- sorry, Jonathan, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'
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- zakim, mute me
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- Plh should now be muted
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- +Paul_Downey
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- zakim, mute ??p13
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- sorry, plh, I do not see a party named '??p13'
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- zakim, mute p13
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- sorry, plh, I do not see a party named 'p13'
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- I am muted
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- zakim, who's making noise?
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- zakim, who's making noise?
- 21:03:14 [pauld]
- zakim, who is inside a washing machine
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- I don't understand 'who is inside a washing machine', pauld
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- -[IPcaller.a]
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- Jonathan, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Tom_Rutt (34%)
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- plh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Bob_Freund (14%), TonyR (26%)
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- zakim, who's here?
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- On the phone I see Bob_Freund, David_Illsley, Nilo, TonyR, Plh (muted), prasad, Pete_Wenzel, Tom_Rutt, Jonathan_Marsh, [IPcaller], Gilbert_Pilz, Anish, Dave_Hull, Paul_Downey
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- zakim, who is on the phone?
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- On IRC I see dhull, TRutt, andreas, anish, David_Illsley, TonyR, prasad, bob, Jonathan, RRSAgent, Zakim, yinleng, plh, pauld
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- On the phone I see Bob_Freund, David_Illsley, Nilo, TonyR, Plh (muted), prasad, Pete_Wenzel, Tom_Rutt, Jonathan_Marsh, [IPcaller], Gilbert_Pilz, Anish, Dave_Hull, Paul_Downey
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- +Paul_Knight
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- See http://www.w3.org/2006/03/27-ws-addr-irc#T21-05-00
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- +Dave_Orchard
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- rrsagent, make logs member-visible
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- plh has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/7D5D3FDA429F4D469ADF210408D6245A03914D@jeeves.freunds.com
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- +Marc_Hadley
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- zakim, unmute me
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- Plh should no longer be muted
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- Scribe: Philippe
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- zakim, mute me
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- Topic: Call for correction for past week minutes
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- Last week minutes: http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/addr/6/03/20-ws-addr-minutes.html
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- No objection
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- Resolution: minutes accepted
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- Topic: Action items
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- +Mark_Peel/Katy_Warr
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- [DONE] ACTION: 2006-03-03: Hugo Haas to draft mapping to CM of UsingAddressing.
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- [DONE] ACTION: 2006-03-20: Editors to Review wsdl document for RFC2119 usage by 2006-03-27
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- zakim, unmute me
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- Plh should no longer be muted
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- +??P12
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- zakim, ??P12 is me
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- +yinleng; got it
- 21:11:03 [plh]
- Marc: every place with may, must, should comply with RFC2119
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- Topic: Proposed and New issues
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- Bob: lc120, lc121, lc122 are new issues
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- ... will go through those today
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- Topic: Issue LC112
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- -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-addressing/2006Mar/0075.html Changes for LC112 resolution
- 21:13:26 [plh]
- "I had a doubt about the resolution for {anonymous required}" -- Hugo
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- -> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2004/ws/addressing/ws-addr-wsdl.html?rev=1.43&content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8#wsdl20_usingaddressing proposed changes for LC112
- 21:15:30 [plh]
- Jonathan: looks fine to me.
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- Bob: objection to accept the text?
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- Resolution: text from Hugo regarding LC112 is accepted
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- ACTION: Editors to remove editorial note in section 3.1.1. text from Hugo is accepted.
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- Topci: lc 120
- 21:16:54 [bob]
- Here are a few editorial comments on the Last Call Working Draft
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-
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- Section 1:" (for backwards compatibility" is missing a closing bracket
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-
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- Section 4.2.3: "the property value is the value of the wsaw:action
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- attribute" should be wsaw:Action
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-
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- Section 4.2.4: "In the absence of the wsa:Action attribute" should be
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- wsaw:Action
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-
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- Example 4.1 title uses wsaw:Action and titles for 4.2, 4.5, 4.8, 4.9 use
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- wsa:Action. All examples show similar things. Both wsa:Action and
- 21:17:09 [bob]
- wsaw:Action make sense in this context but it should be consistent.
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-
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- David
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- Bob: objection to accept those changes?
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- +GlenD
- 21:19:16 [plh]
- Resolution: accepted the proposed changes in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-addressing-comments/2006Mar/0005.html
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- Anish: so, do we change it to wsaw:Action, or do we leave it as wsa:Action?
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- Marc: I think it should be wsa:Action in the examples
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- +1 to Marc
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- ... we only change the first one in first example of 4.1. Others are fine.
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- Resolution: change title in example 4.1 to use wsa:Action
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- ACTION: editors will go through section 4 and modify it to be consistent
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- Bob: I'll mark the issue as closed with editorial pending
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- Topic: lc 121
- 21:23:22 [plh]
- closed following http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-addressing/2006Mar/0081.html
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- original issue was at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-addressing/2006Mar/0078.html
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- Resolution: lc 121 is closed with Marc suggestions
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- Topic: lc 122
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- EDITORIAL SUGGESTION:
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- Section 2.1
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- Do we need to specify cardinality for InterfaceName, ServiceName and
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- EndpointName - i.e. to ensure that there are never multiple ones
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- specified?
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- Section 2.2
- 21:24:21 [bob]
- As above but with embedded WSDL definitions - do we need to specify max
- 21:24:21 [plh]
- -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-addressing/2006Mar/0079.html Specifying cardinality of WSDL Metadata
- 21:24:23 [bob]
- 1?
- 21:25:55 [plh]
- Katy: I always assumed that the interface name only occured once in an EPR, also for service name, or endpoit name but we don't specify that anywhere
- 21:26:28 [plh]
- Jonathan: I can image a bunch of WSDL that describe the same service with different names (translation, ...)
- 21:26:34 [plh]
- s/image/imagine/
- 21:26:39 [anish]
- would that belong in the same EPR, jonathan?
- 21:27:18 [plh]
- ... right now, we're not restricting to one, and don't have a use case for it. But can't imagine why we should restrict.
- 21:27:30 [anish]
- +1 to bob
- 21:27:34 [plh]
- Bob: then it should be clear in the document that it is not limited
- 21:28:10 [plh]
- ... objection to specificy the cardinality to 0.. ?
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- s/icy/y/
- 21:29:07 [anish]
- xml:lang ?
- 21:29:31 [plh]
- Tom: if we support the use of multiple languages, then it should useful to specify the language on them as well to support the local
- 21:29:45 [TonyR]
- s/Tom/Tony/
- 21:29:51 [plh]
- Jonathan: could be done through extensibility
- 21:30:22 [plh]
- Bob: seems a WSDL issue in general?
- 21:30:51 [plh]
- Marc: an obvious use case is to include a WSDL 1.1 and WSDL 2.0 reference
- 21:31:33 [plh]
- Katy: how would you know which one reference which anyway?
- 21:31:40 [plh]
- Marc: you'll need to dereference the service
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- Glen: you should encapsulate them into an element or restrict the cardinality to one
- 21:32:36 [plh]
- ... if we restrict to one, people can use extensibility anyway
- 21:33:13 [plh]
- Katy: you'll need to own client to handle the case then
- 21:33:36 [plh]
- Glen: that would be the case anyway. you need to have some out-of-band mechanism to understand the meaning anyway
- 21:34:03 [plh]
- ... if we're going to allow several, let's make the syntax clear, or we should restrict to one
- 21:35:03 [plh]
- .. we would need an element to do the paring between the service name and the interface name
- 21:35:55 [plh]
- Katy: maybe the issue is how often would people use this?
- 21:36:28 [plh]
- Bob: so restrict to one?
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- Katy: if we restrict to one, it would be one of each, right?
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- Marc: they are combinable indeed
- 21:37:31 [plh]
- Katy: can you specify an interface and embed some WSDL?
- 21:37:44 [plh]
- Glen: as long as the interface matches the WSDL, sure.
- 21:38:03 [plh]
- Jonathan: do we say that in the spec?
- 21:38:28 [plh]
- Katy: [quoting text] yes, it's covered.
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- Bob: objection to restrict the cardinality to one?
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- Resolution: lc 122 closed. cardinality for ServiceName, InterfaceName, EndpointName limited to one.
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- ACTION: Editors to limited cardinality for ServiceName, InterfaceName, EndpointName
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- Topic: Future
- 21:40:08 [plh]
- Bob: how many more issues should we expect?
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- Glen: don't think you'll get some from us.
- 21:40:35 [plh]
- Jonathan: expecting to get some this week. A couple of them are interesting.
- 21:41:04 [plh]
- Bob: we'll schedule next week call for one hour only as well
- 21:41:38 [plh]
- ... we'll be in summer time next week in the US.
- 21:41:50 [plh]
- ... we'll keep it 4pm US/Eastern
- 21:42:07 [plh]
- ... we also need to start looking for implementations
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- Bob: we'll want to progress this to CR fast.
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- +Gilbert_Pilz.a
- 21:43:49 [plh]
- Bob: the PR review for Core and SOAP Binding is ongoing.
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- Philippe: no objection so far I think
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- Paul: I started a discussion thread on the list about next steps.
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- ... what does it mean, etc.
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- -yinleng
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- -Tom_Rutt
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- rrsagent, make logs public
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- rrsagent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/03/27-ws-addr-minutes.html bob
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- Attendees were Bob_Freund, David_Illsley, Nilo, TonyR, bozhong, Plh, prasad, Pete_Wenzel, Tom_Rutt, Jonathan_Marsh, [IPcaller], Gilbert_Pilz, Anish, Dave_Hull, Paul_Downey,
- 23:05:07 [Zakim]
- ... Paul_Knight, Dave_Orchard, Marc_Hadley, Mark_Peel/Katy_Warr, yinleng, GlenD