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Comment LC-2644 : support different image producing devices
Commenter: NN Murthy <nn.murthy@cmcltd.com> (archived message ) Context: 1. Introduction This section is non-normative. This specifi...
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Comment :Dear all,
This is regarding the above publication. Images media type are captured by
computer applications, not only using cameras but also, using document
scanners. Another source of images are live scan devices for capturing
finger prints, palm prints, iris etc. Can the standard address these
requirements?
N N Murthy
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WG Notes: reply: http://www.w3.org/mid/8C34414C-F217-43AA-9B57-B41DB996711E@berjon.com
"These are perhaps useful use cases that are not currently catered for by the specification. I think that their inclusion probably largely depends on whether anyone has strong real-world use cases to support them, and if there are plans to support them. It might just be that at this stage there is no strong drive to specify those inputs, but it's certainly possible that the specification can be revised (quickly, with little overhead) to add those."
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Regarding issue LC-2644, "support different image producing devices" [1],
the DAP WG discussed the issue on today's teleconference [2].
We believe this can be resolved by understanding that a camera, scanner etc
are all "still image capture" devices.
Concretely, I believe we can resolve this issue by making the following
change to section 5.1, "Attributes", of the HTML Media Capture draft [3]:
In the table cell for keyword 'camera' and capture control type, change "A
camera" to "A still image capture device".
[1] <https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/43696/WD-html-media-capture-20120712/2644>
[2] <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Sep/att-0096/minutes-2012-09-19.html#item05>
(see <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Sep/0101.html>)
Commenter response: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Sep/0106.html
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Changing capture attribute to boolean resolves issue as well in better way
Resolution: Changing capture attribute to boolean resolves issue. (Please make sure the resolution is adapted for public consumption)
Comment LC-2639 : naming of camcorder/videocamera
Commenter: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org> (archived message ) Context: 5.1 Attributes capture of type DOMString
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Comment :http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-html-media-capture-20120712/#attributes
Why 'camcorder' instead of 'videocamera'? I think 'videocamera' would be
more intuitive for non-native speakers.
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WG Notes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Jul/0031.html
Currently Android 4.0's stock browser and Chrome for Android implement the specification including the 'camcorder' keyword, see:
http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/ImplementationStatus#HTML_Media_Capture
Given this, changing the 'camcorder' keyword at this stage is likely not a good idea.
Resolution: No change in order to maintain consistency with Android 4.0 browser and Chrome for Android. (Please make sure the resolution is adapted for public consumption)
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Comment LC-2638 : more examples
Commenter: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org> (archived message ) Context: A. Examples This section is non-normative. The following e...
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Comment :http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-html-media-capture-20120712/#examples
I like the example of camera access; I think that makes usage clear to
developers.
I would like also like to see an example of microphone access, and an
example of camcorder+audio input.
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Resolution: Added examples of a video and audio capture to specification, see http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/camera/#examples (Please make sure the resolution is adapted for public consumption)
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Comment LC-2636
Commenter: Michael Cooper <cooper@w3.org> (archived message ) Context: 4. Security and privacy considerations This specification b...
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Comment :The Protocols and Formats Working Group took a quick look at the HTML
Media Capture specification
http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-html-media-capture-20120712/. In a
teleconference discussion, minuted at
https://www.w3.org/2012/07/18-pf-minutes.html, we had the following
comments:
* The specification should make explicit statements about security
expectations, e.g., requesting permission before turning the
microphone on in order to capture from it.
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WG Notes: Note, may wish to clarify "explicit intent" - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Sep/0123.html
Resolution: Text added to to the Security and Privacy Considerations section
"The user agent should not enable any device for media capture, such as a microphone or camera, until a user interaction giving implicit consent is completed. A user agent should also provide an indication when such an input device is enabled and make it possible to terminate such capture. Similarly, the user agent should allow the user:
* to select the exact media capture device to be used if there exists multiple devices of the same type (e.g. a front-facing camera in addition to a primary camera).
* to disable sound capture when in the video capture mode."
see http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/camera/#security
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Comment LC-2641 : hint re camera choice (e.g facing user or not)
Commenter: Chaals McCathieNevile <w3b@chaals.com> (archived message ) Context: 5. The capture attribute This section is normative. When an...
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Comment :2. Many devices have more than one camera. Although it makes no sense to
insist on a given one (some systems, like super-fancy video conferencing
systems that used to be science fiction and are now feasible to construct
from spare parts, have a lot of cameras), The fact that in a huge number
of cases you can divide them into "facing the user" and "the rest",
suggests that it would be nice to at least allow the simple hint as an
author request.
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That does not allow hinting the user-facing camera ought to be used
(typical phone these days has two cameras). (Not sure that use case is
addressed now though.)
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Jul/0060.html
Proposal (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0074.html )
"We could assume one day there might be devices with an arbitrary number of cameras, so we should perhaps leave this up to the UA instead of hard-coding. I could think of a camera UI which allows user to seamlessly switch between cameras on the spot. However, if someone has a nice concrete proposal in mind, please let us know."
Resolution: We changed the meaning of the capture attribute - it is now a boolean ( thus there are no keywords defined with it). The accept attribute defines the requested MIME type and if present the capture attribute indicates to use the device built-in capture mechanism to obtain content of that MIME type. Thus that mechanism could have a user interaction to determine which device, but that would be implementation dependent. I could also envision different MIME types for different camera choices (though maybe that would probably require standardization elsewhere).
Given the wide range of possible accept content types, it probably does not make sense for the HTML Media Capture specification to define capture choices at the device (and the current specification does not provide a means to do so).
The latest set of changes make this issue is moot since Keywords previously implied finer granularity but are no longer specified.
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Dec/0022.html
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Comment LC-2635 : no requested device
Commenter: Michael Cooper <cooper@w3.org> (archived message ) Context: 5.1 Attributes capture of type DOMString
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Comment :The Protocols and Formats Working Group took a quick look at the HTML Media Capture specification http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-html-media-capture-20120712/. In a teleconference discussion, minuted at https://www.w3.org/2012/07/18-pf-minutes.html, we had the following comments:
What happens if the requested device is not present on the system? People with disabilities may have a different sub-set of devices available than mainstream users. We suggest the specification state explicitly that the user agent should fall back to a standard file upload widget in this situation.
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Resolution: No change needed, addressed by the following normative prose:
"The capture attribute's invalid value default and missing value default is the File Upload state." (Please make sure the resolution is adapted for public consumption)
Comment LC-2637 : clarify handing of multiple sources
Commenter: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org> (archived message ) Context: 5.1 Attributes capture of type DOMString
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Comment :== Video and Audio ==
http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-html-media-capture-20120712/#attributes
The 'camcorder' keyword value may conflate video and audio; I can
credibly see a use-case for video-only capture, and user expectation may
be ambiguous if that's not called out explicitly when they are selecting
their input (e.g. they may be unpleasantly surprised when they accept a
video source and their audio is also captured).
The user may also wish to select a different microphone input than is
bundled with the videocamera.
I suggest that the value of @capture should be a list of strings, not
just a single value, i.e.
<input type="file" accept="image/*" capture="camcorder,microphone">
This may result in a pair of source selections, sequentially selecting
first the videocamera input, then the microphone input (or, depending on
the UA and device, might have both in the same dialog... either way, it
should be explicit).
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Resolution: No change needed:
The accept attribute takes precedence over the capture attribute as per the spec. This means camcorder+audio would be the same as no capture attribute is present if the implementation's video camera control is unable to capture audio only. If the implementation's video camera control is able to capture audio only (in addition to video), then camcorder+audio and microphone+audio would yield similar results i.e. an audio file.
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Aug/0101.html
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Comment LC-2640
Commenter: Chaals McCathieNevile <w3b@chaals.com> (archived message ) Context: 5. The capture attribute This section is normative. When an...
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Comment :Editorial...
1. That the capture attribute in HTML can be added in markup (rather than
being added as a DOM attribute in script) is not obvious from the text,
but only from the example section. It would be helpful to clarify this.
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WG Notes: The specification extends the input element's File Upload state, which is defined in HTML5. In order to be consistent with the HTML5 spec, this spec also specifies the extensions in terms of the DOM. Here's the relevant HTML5 reference:
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Since DOM trees are used as the way to represent HTML documents when they are processed and presented by implementations (especially interactive implementations like Web browsers), this specification is mostly phrased in terms of DOM trees, instead of the markup described above.
http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/introduction.html#a-quick-introduction-to-html
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Use of the input element is shown in the examples in Appendix A
Resolution: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2012Dec/0022.html
We addressed this in a number of places (for formatted version of quoted text see draft link below):
Introduction: "The HTML Media Capture specification enables web page authors to declaratively specify the upload of audio, video and still images by adding a new attribute to the HTML input element."
Terminology: "The input element, HTMLInputElement interface, accept attribute, and File Upload state are defined in [HTML5]."
This indicates that input is an HTML element.
Examples: Examples 1,2,3 show declarative form without requiring Javascript; example 4 shows use of markup without form and examples 5-7 show how this can be processed.
http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/camera/ (Please make sure the resolution is adapted for public consumption)
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