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Comment LC-956: Comment Shortname:; Commenter: Al Gilman <Alfred.S.Gilman@IEEE.org>; Message-id:; Section of the document concerned:

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There is too great a leap, here. One either has to both present the same information and fulfil the same purpose or one only has to provide a nominative description of the purpose in text.

There is an important middle ground.

Proposed Change:

Make it more like the priorities in WCAG1:

The strongest requirement is that the text alternative accomplish the purpose of the non-text content it is an alternative for. The desired way to do this is to present the same information, but that lower-level agreement betweeen the alternatives is at a lower level of criticality.

Even this is not the right requirement because there needs to be recognition that the content can succeed by affording equivalent facilitation i.e. a go-path that succeeds for this user at a higher level of aggregation.; Related issues: (space separated ids); WG Notes: [TEAMC] [] My basic understanding of this is that he is requesting that the first part of bullet 1 to provide an equivalent text alternative be a higher priority than the second bullet. And that we should also acknowledge that there may be an alternative that is provide by creating a separate path or represenation through a process???? <andi> I think his issue is that the two sentences in the first bullet of 1.1.1 are contradictory. New wording was proposed at the November 9, 2006 working group meeting that removes this contradiction. http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2006/11/09-wai-wcag-minutes.html#item10 Discussed in the 16 November 2006 telecon: RESOLUTION: LC-956 accepted as ammended http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2006/11/16-wai-wcag-minutes.html {partial accept} Note that this response is worded based on the proposal for the rewrite of 1.1.1 that was discussed at the November 9th conference call. Issue 1524 proposes a slight modification to the second sentence, however, the rewording in 1524 does not affect the issue from this commenter. If 1524 is accepted, then this response will need to change to match the newer wording. DONE update to match 09 Nov. text (with "the same" replaced by Equiv) <previous resolution (OBE)> To resolve the contradiction that you have identified, the first bullet in success criterion 1.1.1 has been reworded as "If non-text content presents information that can be presented in text, then text alternatives present the same information as the non-text content. If the information cannot be presented in text or if the non-text content accepts user input, then text alternatives at least identify the purpose of the non-text content." </previous resolution> Discussed in the 15 March 2007 telecon: Resolution: close 1.1.1 wording issue as proposed Issue 956, Issue 1524, and Issue 885, Issue 955, and Issue 960, Issue 738, Issue 1281, Issue 1282, Issue 1506, Issue 801, Issue 800, Issue 1155 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2007/03/15-wai-wcag-minutes.html {accept} DONE Modify 1.1.1 based on proposal at <http://tinyurl.com/ysfsks>; Internal WD updated 19 March 2007.; Resolution: Thank you for your comment. We have modified 1.1.1 as follows: 1.1.1 Non-text Content: Except for the situations listed below, a text alternative that presents equivalent information is provided for all non-text content. * Controls-Input: If non-text content is a control or accepts user input, then it has a name that describes its purpose. (See also Guideline 4.1 Support compatibility with current and future user agents, including assistive technologies) * Media-Test-Sensory: If non-text content is multimedia , live audio-only or live video-only content, a test or exercise that must be presented in non-text format , or primarily intended to create a specific sensory experience , then text alternatives at least identify the non-text content with a descriptive text label. (For multimedia, see also Guideline 1.2 Provide synchronized alternatives for multimedia.) * CAPTCHA: If the purpose of non-text content is to confirm that content is being accessed by a person rather than a computer, then text alternatives that identify and describe the purpose of the non-text content are provided and alternative forms in different modalities are provided to accommodate different disabilities. * Decoration-Formatting-Invisible: If non-text content is pure decoration, or used only for visual formatting, or if it is not presented to users, then it is implemented such that it can be ignored by assistive technology.; (Please make sure the resolution is adapted for public consumption)