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Comment LC-850

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Commenter: Joe Clark 2 <joeclark@joeclark.org>

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[Free text description]Document as a wholeIntroduction Related Documents Authoring tools The Role of User Agents The Four Principles of Accessibility Important New Terms Used in WCAG 2.0 Conformance Technology assumptions and the "baseline" Conformance levels and the baseline Conformance claims Content that conforms to WCAG 1.0 How to refer to WCAG 2.0 from other documents Guideline 1.1 Success Criterion 1.1.1 Guideline 1.2 Success Criterion 1.2.1 Success Criterion 1.2.2 Success Criterion 1.2.3 Success Criterion 1.2.4 Success Criterion 1.2.5 Success Criterion 1.2.6 Success Criterion 1.2.7 Guideline 1.3 Success Criterion 1.3.1 Success Criterion 1.3.2 Success Criterion 1.3.3 Success Criterion 1.3.4 Success Criterion 1.3.5 Guideline 1.4 Success Criterion 1.4.1 Success Criterion 1.4.2 Success Criterion 1.4.3 Success Criterion 1.4.4 Guideline 2.1 Success Criterion 2.1.1 Success Criterion 2.1.2 Guideline 2.2 Success Criterion 2.2.1 Success Criterion 2.2.2 Success Criterion 2.2.3 Success Criterion 2.2.4 Success Criterion 2.2.5 Success Criterion 2.2.6 Guideline 2.3 Success Criterion 2.3.1 Success Criterion 2.3.2 Guideline 2.4 Success Criterion 2.4.1 Success Criterion 2.4.2 Success Criterion 2.4.3 Success Criterion 2.4.4 Success Criterion 2.4.5 Success Criterion 2.4.6 Success Criterion 2.4.7 Success Criterion 2.4.8 Guideline 2.5 Success Criterion 2.5.1 Success Criterion 2.5.2 Success Criterion 2.5.3 Success Criterion 2.5.4 Guideline 3.1 Success Criterion 3.1.1 Success Criterion 3.1.2 Success Criterion 3.1.3 Success Criterion 3.1.4 Success Criterion 3.1.5 Success Criterion 3.1.6 Guideline 3.2 Success Criterion 3.2.1 Success Criterion 3.2.2 Success Criterion 3.2.3 Success Criterion 3.2.4 Success Criterion 3.2.5 Guideline 4.1 Success Criterion 4.1.1 Success Criterion 4.1.2 Guideline 4.2 Success Criterion 4.2.1 Success Criterion 4.2.2 Success Criterion 4.2.3 Success Criterion 4.2.4 Appendix A: Glossary Appendix B: Checklist Appendix C: Acknowledgements Appendix D: Comparison of WCAG 1.0 checkpoints to WCAG 2.0 Appendix E: References
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From http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-comments-wcag20/2006May/0119.html

text alternative
programmatically-determined text that is used in place of non-text content, or text that is used in addition to non-text content and referred to from the programmatically-determined text

Hence a title attribute absolutely is a text equivalent. An image with empty alt plus a title containing what would otherwise be the alt text will pass WCAG 2. (There is some overlap here with UAAG, which can be interpreted to allow presentation of title text instead of regular or alt text.)

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WG Notes: [EDITORZ] Discussed in the 13 July 2006 telecon: Refer LC-850 back to committee http://www.w3.org/2006/07/13-wai-wcag-minutes.html Discussed in the 17 August 2006 telecon: resolution: unanimous consent to accept the following proposals from the Editorz: LC-847, LC-849, LC-850, LC-1006, LC-987, LC-936, LC-890, LC-852 resolution: unanimous consent to accept the following proposals from Team C: LC-1047, LC-1082, LC-1089, LC-1116, LC-1117, LC-1196, LC-1326 resolution: unanimous consent to accept the following proposals from Team B: LC-1127 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2006/08/17-wai-wcag-minutes.htm {partial_accept} DONE add a failure, "Failure of SC 1.1.1 due to providing a title attribute without also providing a non-null alt attribute Updated internal WD 25 August. Discussed in the 03 May 2007 telecon: resolution: remove the failure on using the title attribute instead of alt attribute action: revisit issue 850 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2007/05/03-wai-wcag-minutes.html Discussed in the 10 May 2007 telecon: resolution: accept LC-850: updated response as amended http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2007/05/10-wai-wcag-minutes.html

Resolution: The use of title alone (with empty alt text) would not constitute alternate text and would not be sufficient for use as a text alternative. If the alt attribute were empty, it would be stating that the image was decorative and did not need alternate text. Speaking Technically, programmatically determined means that it is supported by assistive technology. A null alt attribute value is an indication to assistive technology that it should be ignored. Since a title attribute would not be presented by assistive technology if the alt text were empty, it would not be programmatically determined text.

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