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Comment LC-838

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Commenter: Jon Gunderson <jongund@uiuc.edu> on behalf of UIUC

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[Free text description]Document as a wholeIntroduction Related Documents Authoring tools The Role of User Agents The Four Principles of Accessibility Important New Terms Used in WCAG 2.0 Conformance Technology assumptions and the "baseline" Conformance levels and the baseline Conformance claims Content that conforms to WCAG 1.0 How to refer to WCAG 2.0 from other documents Guideline 1.1 Success Criterion 1.1.1 Guideline 1.2 Success Criterion 1.2.1 Success Criterion 1.2.2 Success Criterion 1.2.3 Success Criterion 1.2.4 Success Criterion 1.2.5 Success Criterion 1.2.6 Success Criterion 1.2.7 Guideline 1.3 Success Criterion 1.3.1 Success Criterion 1.3.2 Success Criterion 1.3.3 Success Criterion 1.3.4 Success Criterion 1.3.5 Guideline 1.4 Success Criterion 1.4.1 Success Criterion 1.4.2 Success Criterion 1.4.3 Success Criterion 1.4.4 Guideline 2.1 Success Criterion 2.1.1 Success Criterion 2.1.2 Guideline 2.2 Success Criterion 2.2.1 Success Criterion 2.2.2 Success Criterion 2.2.3 Success Criterion 2.2.4 Success Criterion 2.2.5 Success Criterion 2.2.6 Guideline 2.3 Success Criterion 2.3.1 Success Criterion 2.3.2 Guideline 2.4 Success Criterion 2.4.1 Success Criterion 2.4.2 Success Criterion 2.4.3 Success Criterion 2.4.4 Success Criterion 2.4.5 Success Criterion 2.4.6 Success Criterion 2.4.7 Success Criterion 2.4.8 Guideline 2.5 Success Criterion 2.5.1 Success Criterion 2.5.2 Success Criterion 2.5.3 Success Criterion 2.5.4 Guideline 3.1 Success Criterion 3.1.1 Success Criterion 3.1.2 Success Criterion 3.1.3 Success Criterion 3.1.4 Success Criterion 3.1.5 Success Criterion 3.1.6 Guideline 3.2 Success Criterion 3.2.1 Success Criterion 3.2.2 Success Criterion 3.2.3 Success Criterion 3.2.4 Success Criterion 3.2.5 Guideline 4.1 Success Criterion 4.1.1 Success Criterion 4.1.2 Guideline 4.2 Success Criterion 4.2.1 Success Criterion 4.2.2 Success Criterion 4.2.3 Success Criterion 4.2.4 Appendix A: Glossary Appendix B: Checklist Appendix C: Acknowledgements Appendix D: Comparison of WCAG 1.0 checkpoints to WCAG 2.0 Appendix E: References
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open proposal pending resolved_yes resolved_no resolved_partial other assigned to Nobody Abma, Jake Abou-Zahra, Shadi Allan, Jim Auclair, Christopher Avila, Jonathan Babinszki, Tom Bailey, Bruce Bernard, Renaldo Bernier, Alex Blake, Matthew Boudreau, Denis Brewer, Judy Butler, Shari Campbell, Alastair Carlson, Laura Chakravarthula, Srinivasu Cirrincione, Pietro Conway, Vivienne Cooper, Michael Crutchfield, Elizabeth Deltour, Romain Dick, Wayne Ding, Chaohai Dirks, Kim Dixit, Shwetank Draffan, E.A. Duggin, Alistair Eggert, Eric Elledge, Michael Faulkner, Steve Ferraz, Reinaldo Fiers, Wilco Fischer, Detlev Foliot, John Garrish, Matt Garrison, Alistair Gower, Michael Guarino Reid, Loretta Hakkinen, Markku Haritos-Shea, Katie Henry, Shawn Hoffmann, Thomas Horton, Sarah Isager, Kasper Jensen, Tobias Christian Johansson, Stefan Johlic, Marc Johnson, Rick Jones, Crystal Joys Andersen, Wilhelm Kapoor, Shilpi Keim, Oliver Kirkpatrick, Andrew Kirkwood, John Kiss, Jason Kraft, Maureen Ku, JaEun Kurapati, Sujasree Lauke, Patrick Lauriat, Shawn Lee, Steve Lemon, Gez Li, Alex Li, Kepeng Li, Liangcheng Loiselle, Chris Lowney, Greg Lui, Edwina Lund, Adam Ma, Jia MacDonald, David Mace, Amanda Manser, Erich Martin, Debra McCormack, Scott McMeeking, Chris McSorley, Jan Milliken, Neil Montgomery, Rachael Mueller, Mary Jo nicole, windmann Niemann, Gundula Nurthen, James O Connor, Joshue Oh, Jeong-Hun Panchang, Sailesh Pandhi, Charu Pasi, Aparna Patch, Kimberly Philipp, Melanie Pluke, Mike Pouncey, Ian Repsher, Stephen Rochford, John Runyan, Marla Savva, Andreas Sawczyn, Steve Schnabel, Stefan Seeman-Kestenbaum, Lisa Sims, Glenda Singh, Avneesh Skotkjerra, Stein Erik Sloan, David Smith, Alan Smith, Jim Solomon, Adam Spellman, Jeanne F Strobbe, Christophe Suprock, Greg Swallow, David Thompson, Kenneth Thyme, Anne Ueki, Makoto Vaishnav, Jatin Vanderheiden, Gregg Venkata, Manoj Wahlbin, Kathleen Wang, Can WANG, WEI White, Jason Zelmanowicz, Erica Zerner, Adam Zhang, Mengni

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I recommend this requirement be moved to SC1. If descriptions of an image are SC1, then are not descriptions or titles of a web page of equal importance? This should be merged with requirements of 2.4.5 and that descriptions/titles should be \"unique\" for collections of a web resources as part of the success criteria.

See UIUC Web Accessibility Best Practices:
http://html.cita.uiuc.edu/nav/title.php


Proposed Change:

I recommend this requirement be moved to SC1 and merged with the requirements of 2.4.5.

Related issues: 625 626 839
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WG Notes: [TEAMB] @@ MU: See my comment on 625 and 626. I'd like to know the reason why these SC(2.4.3 and 2.4.5) are divided into 2 SC and why these are L2 and L3, not L1. JIS requires the descriptive and unique title as L1(Required). # JIS has 2 levels of guidelines, "Required" and "Optional". Discussed in the 08 February 2007 telecon: No resolution. http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2007/02/08-wai-wcag-minutes.html Notes: Potential definition for "descriptive title": title that indicates the content or purpose of the page Discussed in the 22 February 2007 telecon: RESOLUTION: Close Issue 838, Issue 1289, SC 2.4.3 is moved to Level 1. http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2007/02/22-wai-wcag-minutes.html {partial accept} SEE ACTIONS FOR LC-625 DONE Move SC 2.4.3 to Level 1 SEE ACTIONS FOR LC-839 DONE Change test procedure for G88: Providing descriptive titles for Web pages 1. Check that the Web page has a title 2. Check that the title is relevant to the content of the Web page. 3. Check that the Web page can be identified using the title. DONE Add example 4 to G88: Example 4: A newspaper web page A web site that only permits viewing of the current edition titles its web page "National News, Front Page". A web site that permits editions from different dates to be viewed titles its web page, "National News, Front Page, Oct 17, 2005".

Resolution: We have added "descriptive" to SC 2.4.3 and moved it to level A. The success criterion does not require that titles be unique because the working group is concerned that requiring uniqueness will lead to titles that are not as descriptive and usable. It may be very difficult to create titles that are descriptive, unique, and reasonably short. For example, a Web page that generates titles dynamically based on its content might need to include part of the dynamic content in the title to ensure that it was unique. We are also concerned that authors may make titles unique mechanically, such as by including a unique number in the title that is unrelated to the content. For these reasons, although we encourage unique titles in the techniques for this SC, we are not including uniqueness in the SC itself. SC 2.4.5 has been moved to Level AA. It addresses descriptive headings and labels, which may need to be understood in context. While headings may not have sufficient descriptive power in isolation, when viewed in the context of a structured document, they do have sufficient descriptive power.

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