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Comment LC-743

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Commenter: Eric Hansen <ehansen@ets.org> on behalf of Educational Testing Service

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[Free text description]Document as a wholeIntroduction Related Documents Authoring tools The Role of User Agents The Four Principles of Accessibility Important New Terms Used in WCAG 2.0 Conformance Technology assumptions and the "baseline" Conformance levels and the baseline Conformance claims Content that conforms to WCAG 1.0 How to refer to WCAG 2.0 from other documents Guideline 1.1 Success Criterion 1.1.1 Guideline 1.2 Success Criterion 1.2.1 Success Criterion 1.2.2 Success Criterion 1.2.3 Success Criterion 1.2.4 Success Criterion 1.2.5 Success Criterion 1.2.6 Success Criterion 1.2.7 Guideline 1.3 Success Criterion 1.3.1 Success Criterion 1.3.2 Success Criterion 1.3.3 Success Criterion 1.3.4 Success Criterion 1.3.5 Guideline 1.4 Success Criterion 1.4.1 Success Criterion 1.4.2 Success Criterion 1.4.3 Success Criterion 1.4.4 Guideline 2.1 Success Criterion 2.1.1 Success Criterion 2.1.2 Guideline 2.2 Success Criterion 2.2.1 Success Criterion 2.2.2 Success Criterion 2.2.3 Success Criterion 2.2.4 Success Criterion 2.2.5 Success Criterion 2.2.6 Guideline 2.3 Success Criterion 2.3.1 Success Criterion 2.3.2 Guideline 2.4 Success Criterion 2.4.1 Success Criterion 2.4.2 Success Criterion 2.4.3 Success Criterion 2.4.4 Success Criterion 2.4.5 Success Criterion 2.4.6 Success Criterion 2.4.7 Success Criterion 2.4.8 Guideline 2.5 Success Criterion 2.5.1 Success Criterion 2.5.2 Success Criterion 2.5.3 Success Criterion 2.5.4 Guideline 3.1 Success Criterion 3.1.1 Success Criterion 3.1.2 Success Criterion 3.1.3 Success Criterion 3.1.4 Success Criterion 3.1.5 Success Criterion 3.1.6 Guideline 3.2 Success Criterion 3.2.1 Success Criterion 3.2.2 Success Criterion 3.2.3 Success Criterion 3.2.4 Success Criterion 3.2.5 Guideline 4.1 Success Criterion 4.1.1 Success Criterion 4.1.2 Guideline 4.2 Success Criterion 4.2.1 Success Criterion 4.2.2 Success Criterion 4.2.3 Success Criterion 4.2.4 Appendix A: Glossary Appendix B: Checklist Appendix C: Acknowledgements Appendix D: Comparison of WCAG 1.0 checkpoints to WCAG 2.0 Appendix E: References
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open proposal pending resolved_yes resolved_no resolved_partial other assigned to Nobody Abma, Jake Abou-Zahra, Shadi Allan, Jim Auclair, Christopher Avila, Jonathan Babinszki, Tom Bailey, Bruce Bernard, Renaldo Bernier, Alex Blake, Matthew Boudreau, Denis Brewer, Judy Butler, Shari Campbell, Alastair Carlson, Laura Chakravarthula, Srinivasu Cirrincione, Pietro Conway, Vivienne Cooper, Michael Crutchfield, Elizabeth Deltour, Romain Dick, Wayne Ding, Chaohai Dirks, Kim Dixit, Shwetank Draffan, E.A. Duggin, Alistair Eggert, Eric Elledge, Michael Faulkner, Steve Ferraz, Reinaldo Fiers, Wilco Fischer, Detlev Foliot, John Garrish, Matt Garrison, Alistair Gower, Michael Guarino Reid, Loretta Hakkinen, Markku Haritos-Shea, Katie Henry, Shawn Hoffmann, Thomas Horton, Sarah Isager, Kasper Jensen, Tobias Christian Johansson, Stefan Johlic, Marc Johnson, Rick Jones, Crystal Joys Andersen, Wilhelm Kapoor, Shilpi Keim, Oliver Kirkpatrick, Andrew Kirkwood, John Kiss, Jason Kraft, Maureen Ku, JaEun Kurapati, Sujasree Lauke, Patrick Lauriat, Shawn Lee, Steve Lemon, Gez Li, Alex Li, Kepeng Li, Liangcheng Loiselle, Chris Lowney, Greg Lui, Edwina Lund, Adam Ma, Jia MacDonald, David Mace, Amanda Manser, Erich Martin, Debra McCormack, Scott McMeeking, Chris McSorley, Jan Milliken, Neil Montgomery, Rachael Mueller, Mary Jo nicole, windmann Niemann, Gundula Nurthen, James O Connor, Joshue Oh, Jeong-Hun Panchang, Sailesh Pandhi, Charu Pasi, Aparna Patch, Kimberly Philipp, Melanie Pluke, Mike Pouncey, Ian Repsher, Stephen Rochford, John Runyan, Marla Savva, Andreas Sawczyn, Steve Schnabel, Stefan Seeman-Kestenbaum, Lisa Sims, Glenda Singh, Avneesh Skotkjerra, Stein Erik Sloan, David Smith, Alan Smith, Jim Solomon, Adam Spellman, Jeanne F Strobbe, Christophe Suprock, Greg Swallow, David Thompson, Kenneth Thyme, Anne Ueki, Makoto Vaishnav, Jatin Vanderheiden, Gregg Venkata, Manoj Wahlbin, Kathleen Wang, Can WANG, WEI White, Jason Zelmanowicz, Erica Zerner, Adam Zhang, Mengni

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Note: A 20 decibel difference in sound level is roughly four times (4x) quieter or louder. Background sound that meets this requirement will be approximately four times (4x) quieter than the foreground audio content.)

Is this correct???

Proposed Change:

Per the definition of decibels, background sound that meets this requirement will be approximately four times (4x) quieter than the foreground audio content.

Related issues: 1163
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WG Notes: [TEAMA] I THINK WE (I) MISREAD THIS LAST TIME WHEN WE RESPONDED. I read this as a suggestion for changing the SC. In fact he appears to be suggesting that we change the NOTE: in addition, it makes the note shorter. Also we received another suggestion to simplify this note so i am proposing we change our finding to "ACCEPT - but with other wording". (See proposed resolution) Discussed 06 July 2006 resolution: accept LC-743 as proposed except labeled "not accept" http://www.w3.org/2006/07/06-wai-wcag-minutes.html {not accept} RESPOND WITH Yes – 20 dB in sound level is 4x quieter. See "About Decibels" at http://trace.wisc.edu/docs/2004-About-dB/index.htm. We use Decibels rather than “4x quieter� because decibels is how you measure loudness/quietness and it is therefore a more accurate way to specify the success criterion. Discussed in the 13 July 2006 telecon: Accepted by unanimous consent. http://www.w3.org/2006/07/13-wai-wcag-minutes.html {accept - but with alternate wording} DONE CHANGE SC TO "FOREGROUND SPEECH" instead of foreground audio. DONE CHANGE NOTE AS PER BELOW DONE CHANGE 1163 TO MATCH DONE FIX EXAMPLES IN G56 AND REMOVE THE FOLLOWING TWO ITEMS FROM HTM FOR 1.4.4 # Audio examples of 20db audio contrast between the foreground and background audio. (MP3 audio files) (future link) # Visual examples of 20db audio contrast between the foreground and background audio as might be seen in audio editing software packages. (JPG images) (future link) TO SAY FORGROUND SPEECH AND BACKGROUND AUDIO Internal Draft updated 07 August. Response: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-comments-wcag20/2007Jun/0054.html

Resolution: We accept your suggestion for a simplified note on this success criterion. However, there was another suggestion as well so the simplified note now reads: "NOTE: Background sound that meets this requirement will be approximately one quarter as loud as the foreground speech content." Note also that the success criterion now talks about foreground speech content rather than foreground audio.

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