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Comment LC-545

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Commenter: Greg Gay <g.gay@utoronto.ca> on behalf of ATRC UofT

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[Free text description]Document as a wholeIntroduction Related Documents Authoring tools The Role of User Agents The Four Principles of Accessibility Important New Terms Used in WCAG 2.0 Conformance Technology assumptions and the "baseline" Conformance levels and the baseline Conformance claims Content that conforms to WCAG 1.0 How to refer to WCAG 2.0 from other documents Guideline 1.1 Success Criterion 1.1.1 Guideline 1.2 Success Criterion 1.2.1 Success Criterion 1.2.2 Success Criterion 1.2.3 Success Criterion 1.2.4 Success Criterion 1.2.5 Success Criterion 1.2.6 Success Criterion 1.2.7 Guideline 1.3 Success Criterion 1.3.1 Success Criterion 1.3.2 Success Criterion 1.3.3 Success Criterion 1.3.4 Success Criterion 1.3.5 Guideline 1.4 Success Criterion 1.4.1 Success Criterion 1.4.2 Success Criterion 1.4.3 Success Criterion 1.4.4 Guideline 2.1 Success Criterion 2.1.1 Success Criterion 2.1.2 Guideline 2.2 Success Criterion 2.2.1 Success Criterion 2.2.2 Success Criterion 2.2.3 Success Criterion 2.2.4 Success Criterion 2.2.5 Success Criterion 2.2.6 Guideline 2.3 Success Criterion 2.3.1 Success Criterion 2.3.2 Guideline 2.4 Success Criterion 2.4.1 Success Criterion 2.4.2 Success Criterion 2.4.3 Success Criterion 2.4.4 Success Criterion 2.4.5 Success Criterion 2.4.6 Success Criterion 2.4.7 Success Criterion 2.4.8 Guideline 2.5 Success Criterion 2.5.1 Success Criterion 2.5.2 Success Criterion 2.5.3 Success Criterion 2.5.4 Guideline 3.1 Success Criterion 3.1.1 Success Criterion 3.1.2 Success Criterion 3.1.3 Success Criterion 3.1.4 Success Criterion 3.1.5 Success Criterion 3.1.6 Guideline 3.2 Success Criterion 3.2.1 Success Criterion 3.2.2 Success Criterion 3.2.3 Success Criterion 3.2.4 Success Criterion 3.2.5 Guideline 4.1 Success Criterion 4.1.1 Success Criterion 4.1.2 Guideline 4.2 Success Criterion 4.2.1 Success Criterion 4.2.2 Success Criterion 4.2.3 Success Criterion 4.2.4 Appendix A: Glossary Appendix B: Checklist Appendix C: Acknowledgements Appendix D: Comparison of WCAG 1.0 checkpoints to WCAG 2.0 Appendix E: References
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open proposal pending resolved_yes resolved_no resolved_partial other assigned to Nobody Abma, Jake Abou-Zahra, Shadi Allan, Jim Auclair, Christopher Avila, Jonathan Babinszki, Tom Bailey, Bruce Bernard, Renaldo Bernier, Alex Blake, Matthew Boudreau, Denis Brewer, Judy Butler, Shari Campbell, Alastair Carlson, Laura Chakravarthula, Srinivasu Cirrincione, Pietro Conway, Vivienne Cooper, Michael Crutchfield, Elizabeth Deltour, Romain Dick, Wayne Ding, Chaohai Dirks, Kim Dixit, Shwetank Draffan, E.A. Duggin, Alistair Eggert, Eric Elledge, Michael Faulkner, Steve Ferraz, Reinaldo Fiers, Wilco Fischer, Detlev Foliot, John Garrish, Matt Garrison, Alistair Gower, Michael Guarino Reid, Loretta Hakkinen, Markku Haritos-Shea, Katie Henry, Shawn Hoffmann, Thomas Horton, Sarah Isager, Kasper Jensen, Tobias Christian Johansson, Stefan Johlic, Marc Johnson, Rick Jones, Crystal Joys Andersen, Wilhelm Kapoor, Shilpi Keim, Oliver Kirkpatrick, Andrew Kirkwood, John Kiss, Jason Kraft, Maureen Ku, JaEun Kurapati, Sujasree Lauke, Patrick Lauriat, Shawn Lee, Steve Lemon, Gez Li, Alex Li, Kepeng Li, Liangcheng Loiselle, Chris Lowney, Greg Lui, Edwina Lund, Adam Ma, Jia MacDonald, David Mace, Amanda Manser, Erich Martin, Debra McCormack, Scott McMeeking, Chris McSorley, Jan Milliken, Neil Montgomery, Rachael Mueller, Mary Jo nicole, windmann Niemann, Gundula Nurthen, James O Connor, Joshue Oh, Jeong-Hun Panchang, Sailesh Pandhi, Charu Pasi, Aparna Patch, Kimberly Philipp, Melanie Pluke, Mike Pouncey, Ian Repsher, Stephen Rochford, John Runyan, Marla Savva, Andreas Sawczyn, Steve Schnabel, Stefan Seeman-Kestenbaum, Lisa Sims, Glenda Singh, Avneesh Skotkjerra, Stein Erik Sloan, David Smith, Alan Smith, Jim Solomon, Adam Spellman, Jeanne F Strobbe, Christophe Suprock, Greg Swallow, David Thompson, Kenneth Thyme, Anne Ueki, Makoto Vaishnav, Jatin Vanderheiden, Gregg Venkata, Manoj Wahlbin, Kathleen Wang, Can WANG, WEI White, Jason Zelmanowicz, Erica Zerner, Adam Zhang, Mengni

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Item Number: Success Criterion 4.2.1
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Comment (Including rationale for any proposed change):

Guideline 4.2.1

This guideline does not read like a guideline (same with 4.2.3), is not immediately clear what it means without reviewing the HowTo, and can be interpreted in different ways (i.e. ...may [also] be, or ...may [instead] be...). I interpret it first as meaning I can include a link from the accessible version to the innaccessible version. In fact it should be the opposite that is true (and I'm sure based on the howto that is what was intended), including a link from the innaccessible version to the accessible one.

Proposed Change:

Ideally there should be reciprocol links between the two versions.

Related issues: 465 466
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WG Notes: [TEAMB] Relates to LC465 LC466 Discussed by Team B, 5/30/06. Proposed Response to commenter: Thank you for your comments. In order to clarify the intent of this success criterion, we have reworded it: When multiple versions of the same content are available, at least one version meets all level 1 success criteria and versions that do not meet all level 1 success criteria provide a mechanism to obtain the version that does. Discussed at 6/1/06 teleconference and sent back to Team B for wording. Discussed at 08 June teleconference: resolution: LC-465, LC-466, LC-545 left open to consider issues on where an accessible version can not be provided from within accessible content http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2006/06/08-wai-wcag-minutes.html Discussed 29 June 2006 resolution: agreed to the language of the resloution 465 466 545 but we are puting them on hold til we see more about 4.2.1., 4.2.3 that may have come into the comments before deadline. http://www.w3.org/2006/06/29-wai-wcag-minutes.html Does this need to wait for the conformance discussion? Discussed in the 21 September 2006 telecon: Resolution: send LC-466, LC-465, LC-545, LC-985 back to Team B http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2006/09/21-wai-wcag-minutes.html Discussed in the 01 February 2007 telecon: andi, alex, ben, gregg, john to work on "same page"/"same URI" issue for alternative versions http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2007/02/01-wai-wcag-minutes.html Discussed in the 08 March 2007 telecon: accepted by unanimous consent http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2007/03/08-wai-wcag-minutes.html Discussed in the 15 March 2007 telecon: Resolution: accept 545 as proposed http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2007/03/15-wai-wcag-minutes.html {accept} DONE refer to proposed revisions to CC4, Understanding documents and techniques at <http://tinyurl.com/34wxyx> Response: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-comments-wcag20/2007Jun/0068.html

Resolution: We have moved discussion of alternate versions of content to the Conformance section of the Guidelines, and we have clarified by adding the following conformance requirement Alternate Versions: If the Web page does not meet all of the success criteria for a specified level, then a mechanism to obtain an alternate version that meets all of the success criteria can be derived from the nonconforming content or its URI, and that mechanism meets all success criteria for the specified level of conformance. The alternate version does not need to be matched page for page with the original (e.g. the alternative to a page may consist of multiple pages). If multiple language versions are available, then conforming versions are required for each language offered. We have also updated the understanding document to clarify situations when different sufficient techniques would apply.

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