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Comment LC-1217: Comment Shortname:; Commenter: Al Gilman <Alfred.S.Gilman@IEEE.org>; Message-id:; Section of the document concerned:

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Commenter's response (URI):; Comment:
One can reasonably interpret what the Web Characterization Terminology meant by "simultaneously" to mean "concurrently." The point is that your concept is their concept, you are just straining at gnats over the term 'simultaneously' as if it implies 'instantaneously.'

You just don't know how much street cred you lose by using funny-money terms like "web unit" when what you mean is what the web designer means by a "web page."

Proposed Change:

Use "web page."

State that the concept is essentially the same as in the Web Characterization Terminology.

Add something on the order of "Owing to the increasingly dynamic nature of web pages today, one would be more likely to say 'rendered concurrently' rather than 'rendered simultaneously' so people don't think that there has to be an instant rendering of a static page. The requirement is that fluctuations in the page view take place in a context which is stable enough so that the user's perception is that they are in the same place.; Related issues: (space separated ids); WG Notes: [EDITORZ] [HOLD] The proposal below changes "rendered together" to "rendered as a single unit" and adds the clarifying second sentence from the Web Characterization Activity as a note. It also includes some editorial cleanup to the first example. Rationale: Al's assertion that this can reasonably interpreted as we're using it is correct. Given slight modifications made by DI WG (sets precedent for making slight modifications to existing definitions) and that the second sentence of the original definition says "rendered as a single unit," it does not seem that this is an unreasonable interpretation given the changes that have occurred on the Web since the definition was written. Discussed in the 15 March 2007 telecon: Resolution: accept definition of web page as amended http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2007/03/15-wai-wcag-minutes.html {accept} DONE replace "Web unit" with "Web page" throughout. Respond with: Response: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-comments-wcag20/2007Jun/0108.html; Resolution: We have revised the guidelines and eliminated the word "Web unit" in favor of "Web page." We have defined "Web page" as follows (see http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-WCAG20-20070517/#webpagedef ): Web page a resource that is referenced by a URI and is not embedded in another resource, plus any other resources that are used in the rendering or intended to be rendered together with it Note: Although any "other resources" would be rendered together with the primary resource, they would not necessarily be rendered simultaneously with each other. Example 1: When you enter http://shopping.example.com/ in your browser you enter a movie-like interactive shopping environment where you visually move about a store dragging products off of the shelves around you into a visual shopping cart in front of you. Clicking on a product causes it to be demonstrated with a specification sheet floating alongside. Example 2: A Web resource including all embedded images and media. Example 3: A Web mail program built using Asynchronous JavaScript and XML (AJAX). The program lives entirely at http://mail.example.com, but includes an inbox, a contacts area and a calendar. Links or buttons are provided that cause the the inbox, contacts, or calendar to display, but do not change the URL of the page as a whole. Example 4: A customizable portal site, where users can choose content to display from a set of different content modules.; (Please make sure the resolution is adapted for public consumption)