W3C

Web Services Resource Access Working Group Teleconference

24 Mar 2009

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Ashok Malhotra, Oracle Corp.
Asir Vedamuthu, Microsoft Corp.
Bob Freund, Hitachi, Ltd.
David Snelling, Fujitsu, Ltd.
Doug Davis, IBM
Fred Maciel, Hitachi, Ltd.
Gilbert Pilz, Oracle Corp.
Katy Warr, IBM
Sreedhara Narayanaswamy, CA
Sumeet Vij, Software AG
Tom Rutt, Fujitsu, Ltd.
Vikas Varma, Software AG
Wu Chou, Avaya Communications
Absent
Bob Natale, MITRE Corp.
Geoff Bullen, Microsoft Corp.
Jeff Mischkinsky, Oracle Corp.
Li Li, Avaya Communications
Mark Little, Red Hat
Paul Fremantle, WSO2
Prasad Yendluri, Software AG
Ram Jeyaraman, Microsoft Corp.
Ranga Reddy Makireddy, CA
Yves Lafon, W3C/ERCIM
Regrets
Yves Lafon, W3C/ERCIM
Chair
Bob Freund, Hitachi, Ltd.
Scribe
Fed Maciel

Contents


<trackbot> Date: 24 March 2009

Fred Maciel is scribe

<Bob> scribe: Fed Maciel

<Bob> scribenick: fmaciel

Agenda approved w/o

approval of minutes

RESOLUTION: Minutes of 2009-03-17 approved with no objections

New Issues

RESOLUTION: All new issues accepted and assigned to reporter, except for external editorial comment (6725) which will be assigned to Doug who has already made a proposal w/o

infoset issues

No volunteers, will remain unassigned for now

Issues with proposals

issue 6595

<Bob> proposal at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Mar/0077.html

RESOLUTION: Issue-6595 resolved with proposal (proposal #2, comment #4 in bugzilla) without objection

Issue 6648

<dug> proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Mar/att-0076/00-part

Asir: considers this to be a substantial change and he requests a migration strategy but thinks the proposal reasonable

<dug> katy - did we do that? I don't recall that

<Katy> The text is there but unchanged - awaiting this issue

<dug> ah - so just ws-eventing had it removed?

<Katy> I didn't remove it from any as the resolution said we'd not address this under the notational conventions issue

<dug> s/must not/do not/

<dug> as an editor - I'm ok with that

<dug> +1 to katy - its just a copy-n-paste and makes it easier in the long run to have the specs look similar.

<Zakim> asir, you wanted to talk about http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6587

<DaveS> Suggestion for fixing the language problem I am worried about: Senders MAY indicate the presence of an extension that has to be understood through the use of a corresponding SOAP Header with a soap:mustUnderstand attribute with the value "1".

<gpilz> how about "an extension it requires to be understood"?

<dug> seems fine

<asir> what is the proposed editorial change to Gil's proposal

<gpilz> Senders MAY indicate the presence of an extension that has to be understood through the use of a corresponding SOAP Header with a soap:mustUnderstand attribute with the value "1".

<Zakim> asir, you wanted to ask a question

<dug> although, we can probably say MUST NOT since the receiver MUST adhere to SOAP and mU=1 is part of SOAP.

<dug> never mind - I see Dave's point

<dug> that's fine - and let's apply it to all specs :-)

<Bob> [1]proposal: The elements defined in this specification MAY be extended at the points indicated by their outlines and schema. Implementations MAY add child elements and/or attributes at the indicated extension points but MUST NOT contradict the semantics of the parent and/or owner, respectively. If a receiver does not recognize an extension, the receiver SHOULD ignore that extension. Senders MAY indicate the presence of an extension that has to be understood through the use of a corresponding SOAP Header with a soap:mustUnderstand attribute with the value "1".

RESOLUTION: Issue 6648 resolved with proposal[1] above without objection

Bob: And we should record the second resolution

RESOLUTION: the text[1] above shall be applied to all specifications without objections

Issue 6692

<asir> How would you distinguish a NotifyTo EPR from a MakeConnection type EPR?

<gpilz> you don't

<gpilz> that's the whole point of WS-MC

<dug> bob - I'd like to ask Wu a follow-on question

<dug> I still don't see the diff between NotifyTo and ReplyTo and I think it would actually be a mistake to imply they're different

<DaveS> +1

<DaveS> What Doug said

<dug> ws-e doesn't mandate that PUSH mode is a one-way

<DaveS> But we still don't have a use case for any Mode other than push mode.

<dug> granted a Notification is a one-way but not PUSH mode

<dug> its broken because we're adding confusion and duplicate semantics

straw poll on removing push mode from specification (accepting Dave's proposal):

5 votes for, 2 against, 1 abstain

<asir> Wu and I mentioned that 6432 need to be resolved first

<gpilz> I object also everyone else obviously disagrees

<dug> +1 to gil

<DaveS> +1

<DaveS> We ned to se use cases for Mode not equal to Push Mode to better understand whay it is needed.

<dug> Wu - you can never stop someone from putting a MCanonURI in the NotifyTo

<Bob> ACTION: Wu and Asir We need to use use cases for Mode not equal to Push Mode to better understand why it is needed. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/ra/9/03/2009-03-24.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-53 - And Asir We need to use cases for Mode not equal to Push Mode so WG better understands why it is needed. [on wu chou - due 2009-03-31].

Issue 6725 (external reviewer)

<scribe> postponed to next week due to lack of time

Bob asked participants to review IRC for incomplete contents or corrections

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Wu and Asir We need to use use cases for Mode not equal to Push Mode to better understand why it is needed. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/ra/9/03/2009-03-24.html#action01]
 
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