ACTION-379: Check whether HTML language reference has been published

Check whether HTML language reference has been published

State:
closed
Person:
Noah Mendelsohn
Due on:
April 26, 2011
Created on:
January 21, 2010
Associated Product:
HTML 5 review
Related emails:
  1. Re: Tracking TAG high-priority goals and deliverables (from nrm@arcanedomain.com on 2011-08-10)
  2. Draft TAG minutes 2011-04-28 (from Daniel.Appelquist@vodafone.com on 2011-05-05)
  3. Agenda for the TAG teleconference of 28 April 2011 (from nrm@arcanedomain.com on 2011-04-27)
  4. Re: author-only view of HTML5 and ACTION-190 (from nrm@arcanedomain.com on 2011-04-16)
  5. RE: author-only view of HTML5 and ACTION-190 (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2011-04-16)
  6. Re: author-only view of HTML5 and ACTION-190 (from nrm@arcanedomain.com on 2011-04-12)
  7. Draft TAG minutes for telcon of 2011-03-31 are available (from ylafon@w3.org on 2011-04-01)
  8. Draft minutes of the 8-10 February 2011 TAG F2F Meeting are now available (from nrm@arcanedomain.com on 2011-02-21)
  9. Draft minutes of the 8-10 February 2011 TAG F2F Meeting are now available (from nrm@arcanedomain.com on 2011-02-21)
  10. Progress on TAG ACTION-379: Will the HTML 5 WG publish an authoring specification? (from nrm@arcanedomain.com on 2010-11-03)
  11. Telcon minutes: 2010-09-23 (from ht@inf.ed.ac.uk (Henry S. Thompson) on 2010-09-27)
  12. Draft TAG telcon minutes of 2010-08-19 available (from ylafon@w3.org on 2010-09-01)
  13. Minutes of TAG teleconference of 27 May 2010 (from noah@arcanedomain.com on 2010-06-17)
  14. Draft minutes of TAG F2F of 7-9 June 2010 (from nrm@arcanedomain.com on 2010-06-16)
  15. Agenda for TAG teleconference of 27 May 2010 (from noah@arcanedomain.com on 2010-05-25)
  16. HTML 5 language reference, schemas etc. (from connolly@w3.org on 2010-05-20)
  17. Agenda for TAG teleconference of 20 May 2010 (from nrm@arcanedomain.com on 2010-05-19)
  18. Preparation for this week's TAG teleconference: F2F Agenda Preparation (from nrm@arcanedomain.com on 2010-05-19)
  19. Agenda for TAG teleconference of 13 May 2010 (from noah@arcanedomain.com on 2010-05-12)
  20. Larry, will you be on the TAG call this week? (from nrm@arcanedomain.com on 2010-05-11)
  21. minutes TAG weekly 6 May for review (from connolly@w3.org on 2010-05-11)
  22. Agenda for TAG teleconference of 6 May 2010 (from nrm@arcanedomain.com on 2010-05-04)
  23. minutes TAG meeting 24-26 March in Cambridge, MA, USA for review (from connolly@w3.org on 2010-04-12)
  24. Tag Members: Please review your open actions ASAP as input to F2F agenda (from noah_mendelsohn@us.ibm.com on 2010-03-10)
  25. Re: Draft minutes of TAG teleconference of 21 January 2010 (from tyler.close@gmail.com on 2010-01-23)
  26. Draft minutes of TAG teleconference of 21 January 2010 (from noah_mendelsohn@us.ibm.com on 2010-01-22)

Related notes:

This action was a follow up after Noah’s ACTION-373:
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/373
“Convey, re language reference, to encourage the path they've indicated; we can't tell if we're satisfied; we'll stay tuned and comment when drafts become available”

base on the TAG discussion (minutes)
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/01/07-tagmem-minutes.html#item05
and RESOLUTION: “endorse the proposed disposition of HTML WG issue-59 in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Dec/0249.html , i.e. the class=author view and the informative reference guide, provided the relaxng is appended to the informative reference guide, which will be published as a Working Draft and taken to Last Call.”
With Noah’s note about taking “"take to Last Call" as shorthand for "put on the Rec track" (though not necessarily normative)”


There is now a document H:TML (HTML: The Markup Language)
http://dev.w3.org/html5/markup/
announced
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Feb/0005.html

and proposed for FPWD. It does not currently contain the requested “relaxng” appendix. The question of whether this document is “on the Rec track” rather than destined to be a Working Group Note is open.

Larry Masinter, 2 Feb 2010, 21:52:29

"PaulC: we published that on [March 5?]"
-- http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2010/03/24-tagmem-minutes.html#item02

Dan Connolly, 5 Apr 2010, 20:12:26

[DanC]: spec-author-view clarification seems in order

27 May 2010, 18:12:06

On 19 August call, members weren't clear on level of commitment to author-spec. Noah needs to chase down references.

Noah Mendelsohn, 19 Aug 2010, 17:47:58

Per 23 Sept. 2010, suggestion is to keep open until HTML 5 last call.

Noah Mendelsohn, 23 Sep 2010, 18:15:49

Noah spoke to Paul Cotton at Lyon TPAC on 3 Nov 2010. We verified that email from Maciej http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Jan/0471.html seems to signal that email http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Dec/0248.html is the agreed basis for closing HTML WG ISSUE 59.

There seem to be a number of loose ends to resolve:

1) The record of HTML WG issue 59 does not clearly identify the specs that the HTML WG agreed to carry forward, I.e. (from email 0248) "There was general
agreement that the author-only view of the main spec, plus a
commitment to maintain it and improve its quality, was sufficient as a
normative reference. There was also agreement that Mike's document
would be useful and beneficial as a non-normative reference guide to
the syntax. Based on this we've suggested closing ISSUE-59. "

2) As of 3 November, the W3C editors draft (http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/) of the main spec shows a link to the Web Developers' version (http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/author/), but the main published version (http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-html5-20101019/) does not. Paul Cotton is investigating.

Noah expressed to Paul that the TAG's expectation, based on email 0248, is that the HTML WG will agree to carrying forward http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/author/ normatively and on the Rec track; that it will carry forward Mike Smith's guide, most likely as non-normative; and that he notes the TAG's suggestion that the record of HTML WG ISSUE 59 should be clarified.

Noah

Noah Mendelsohn, 3 Nov 2010, 16:03:55

Paul Cotton note to HTML WG opening their ACTION 190 to get the draft published: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2010Nov/0055.html

Noah Mendelsohn, 8 Nov 2010, 22:49:29

12 April 2011: Sent not to Paul Cotton querying status of HTML WG ISSUE 190. Bumping due date on ACTION-379 to give time for response. (Noah)

Noah Mendelsohn, 12 Apr 2011, 18:45:18

After some confusion regarding which of the HTML WG's documents needed to be on the Rec track to fulfill the commitment to the TAG, Paul Cotton and Mike Smith have confirmed that the "HTML5 Edition for Web Authors:
A vocabulary and associated APIs for HTML and XHTML" ( http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-html5-20110113/author/ ) and its successors are/will be part of the HTML Rec. track publication packages moving forward. Accordingly, the TAG's request has been fulfilled, and I am marking this action PENDING REVIEW.

Note that in the course of this discussion we also determined that Mike Smith's "HTML: The Markup Language Reference" ( http://www.w3.org/TR/html-markup/ ) will also be carried forward as a non-normative part of the HTML5 Rec Track package. That is something the TAG also encouraged, though it is strictly beyond the scope of this ACTION-379.

Noah Mendelsohn, 17 Apr 2011, 17:04:00

Closed, per decision on 28 April 2011 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/04/28-minutes#item04

Noah Mendelsohn, 4 May 2011, 15:17:07

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