W3C | TAG | Previous teleconference: 13th September 2007. | Next teleconference: 27th September 2007.

TAG face-to-face meeting, 17-19th September 2007,
University of Southampton, UK.

Nearby: TAG Issues Tracker - findings - www-tag archive - tag archive

Meeting at a glance

Logistics

(also separate Logistics page)

2. Recommended readings

• TAG Charter
• Webarch
• Draft TAG Finding Dereferencing HTTP URIs
• Extending and Versioning Languages: Draft TAG Findings:
  • Terminology
  • Strategies
  • XML Languages
• Sam Ruby article on Distributed Extensibility
• Draft TAG Finding on "URNs, Namespaces and Registries"
• HTTP URIs are Expensive ESW Wiki Page (relevant to URNsAndRegistries-50)
• TimBL DesignIssues Note: "The Interpretation of XML documents"
• Draft TAG Finding on "The elaborated infoset: A proposal"
• Draft TAG Finding on "The Self-Describing Web"
  [NOTE in the absense of an update since our previous F2F, discussion of this document is at risk.]

Agenda

Convene and Agenda Review (<30min)

1. Convene: take roll, review and agree agenda
2. Regrets: DaveO, Raman
3. Appoint: scribes for the three days
   Approve: minutes from 13th September 2007

F2F Planning

• Review proposal to host 2008 F2F meetings (at least the first after the TAG election)

HttpRedirections-57 and Semantic Web Architecture (ISSUE-57)

• Related Actions Items:
  • ACTION-43 on Tim Berners-Lee to Find the paper that he annotated on the plane (and transcribe comments on "Cool URIs for the Semantic Web"). - due 2007-09-06, open
• Review of Draft finding:
  • Resources and the 'Web Presence' Label (see dbooth, fielding)
    • denotation, referents and access
    • between http:resource and webarch:resource
  • HTTP Response Codes (David Booth)
    • are the description sections dangerous redefinitions of the HTTP spec?
  • Hash URIs Problematic (David Booth)
    • any approach based on hash URIs is architecturally flawed
  • AWWW Definition of Information Resources Flawed (from David Booth)
    • also, URIs that are information sinks
  • Definition of the Web (Roy Fielding)
    • Roy's definition vs the one in AWWW
  • URI Declarations (David Booth)
    • David's notion of URI declaration
• Terminology
  • Identity, Access and Reference
    • Repeated complaints (to cite but one) and sustained about use of terminology in AWWW
    • Thread initiated by Henry seeking to build concensus

TagSoupIntegration-54 (ISSUE-54)

• Related Actions Items:
  • ACTION-7 on Dan Connolly to Work with Olivier and Tim to draft a position regarding extensibility of HTML and the role of the validator for consideration by the TAG - due 2007-09-17, open
  • ACTION-44 on David Orchard to Post his message to the HTML WG list - due 2007-09-13, open
• Distributed Extensibility
  • HTML5, uFormats
  • Extensibility and Versioning Findings: Do they have his covered?
  • As a Tech Plenary Topic: How would we structure a session?
• Topic List
  • Care and Maintenance?
  • Checklist or Agenda (or both)?

XMLVersioning-41 (ISSUE-41)

• Related Actions Items:
  • ACTION-15 on Henry S. Thompson to Review XHTML Modularization (http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-xhtml-modularization-20060705/) - due 2007-09-17, open
  • ACTION-16 on David Orchard to Incorporate the NVDL text into the findings. - due 2007-09-27, open
  • ACTION-28 on Noah Mendelsohn to draft a blog item for review and, pending creation of a TAG blog mechanism, post it. - due 2007-09-06, open
  • ACTION-35 on Stuart Williams to complete review of terminology section of of 4 July versioning draft - due 2007-09-13, pending review
  • ACTION-38 on Norman Walsh to review the XML part again - due 2007-09-17, open
• Discuss Reviews of Draft Findings from:
  • Stuart (terminology) ACTION-35)
  • ???? (Strategies)
  • Norm (XML Languages) (ACTION-38)
• Defined and Accept Sets: is the model working/useful? (see related thread initiated by Noah)
• Publication Strategy

Planning and Review

• What are we doing well (and should aim to continue doing well)?
• What are the 1-3 most important things that we should aim to improve in 2008?
• W3C process requirements - heartbeats, status reports...
• In June we expressed some ambitions to start to work on:
  • Semantic Web Architecture
  • Web 2.0 and Web Architecture
  Do we have objectives in this area that we want the AC to be aware of?

namespaceDocument-8 (ISSUE-8)

• Related Actions Items:
  • ACTION-22 on Dan Connolly to Start an ontology including docns/documentElementNamespace.
  • ACTION-23 on Henry S. Thompson to track progress of #int bug 1974 in the XML Schema namespace document in the XML Schema WG
  • ACTION-45 on Henry S. Thompson to Add GRDDL to the draft XML Schema namespace document so that RDF can be retreived. - due 2007-09-13, pending review
• Norm is stymied! How do we move forward? Norm suggests abandoning the issue.
• Recapitulation on what the issue actually is?

xmlFunctions-34 (and ElaboratedInfosets) (ISSUE-34)

• Related Actions Items:
  • ACTION-25 on T.V. Raman to summarize history of DTD/namespace/mimetype version practice, including XHTML, SOAP, and XSLT. - due 2007-09-13, open
  • ACTION-26 on Henry S. Thompson to Henry to prepare new draft of xmlFunctions-34 - due 2007-09-13, open
• Current draft The elaborated infoset: A proposal
• TimBL DesignIssues Note: "The Interpretation of XML documents"
• Status Update - Henry and Tim

URNsAndRegistries-50(ISSUE-50)

• Related Actions Items:
  • ACTION-32 on David Orchard to explore the space of external registries and to post to the tag member list - due 2007-08-24, pending review
  • ACTION-33 on Henry S. Thompson to revise URNsAndRegistries-50 finding in response to F2F discussion - due 2007-09-18, open
• Current Draft Finding
• Status Update - Henry
• Feedback from Chimezie Ogbuji
• Counter argument at "HTTP URIs are Expensive" ESW Wiki Page

Web 2.0 and Web Architecture

• Interaction and State - Representations bearing Interaction Behaviour (AJAX/Scripts)
  • Is this covered by WebArch as it is?
  • Do we need extensions or changes? If so... what?
• Other facets of Web 2.0 that may 'stress' Web Architecture?
  • Client Script handling of Frag Ids (see thread started by Raman
  • uFormats, RDF/a and the Semantic Web

Self Describing Web

• Related Actions Items:
  • ACTION-30 on Noah Mendelsohn to revise Self-Describing Web finding in response to 2007-07 F2F discussion
• Current Draft finding
• Status Update - Noah

Wrapup/Other Business

• TAG@TPAC - November (see also Distributed Extensibility, URNsAndRegistries-50, Web 2.0 and WebArch)