- From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 17:25:32 +0100
- To: "public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org" <public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <511BBE7C.6020500@w3.org>
Hi all,
Minutes of today's call are at
http://www.w3.org/2013/02/13-mlw-lt-minutes.html
and below as text. We re-distributed a lot of action items. All, please
have a look and protest if you don't get to doing your action items.
Esp. at Yves and Jirka: we gave you various co-editing related action
items, please have a look.
We also discussed the upcoming publication of
http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Use_cases_-_high_level_summary
Christian noted that the subsections related to implementations, e.g.
http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Use_cases_-_high_level_summary#More_Information_and_Implementation_Status.2FIssues_2
might become out of date over time. So before finalizing the publication
(note that the upcoming publication is only a first draft), we should
decide what to do about these subsections.
Best,
Felix
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
MLW-lT Phone call 13,2,2013 13.00 UTC
13 Feb 2013
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2013/02/13-mlw-lt-irc
Attendees
Present
Ankit, DaveLewis, Karl, shaunm, leroy, omstefanov,
philr, Naoto, felix, dF, Milan, Pedro, tadej, cweins
Regrets
jirka, Dom, Jorge, Yves, Pablo
Chair
daveL
Scribe
omstefanov
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]1) Action item and issue re-distribution
* [5]Summary of Action Items
__________________________________________________________
1) Action item and issue re-distribution
<daveL_>
[6]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-l
t/2013Feb/0066.html
[6] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Feb/0066.html
[7]https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
tions/open
[7] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/open
[8]https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/is
sues/open
[8] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/open
<daveL_>
[9]https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
tions/open
[9] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/open
We start with open action items.
DaveL says lots are assigned to Felix, so we need volunteers to
help
Action-215 (Generate a sample of testing involving XLIFF) David
Filip has prepared some samples.
At last meeting it was decided we need more samples, daveL made
some, with Leroy, and after testing they will be put up
daveL is closing action item 215
Action-251 (make the necessary steps for the mime type section
during last call mentioned at
[10]http://www.w3.org/2002/06/registering-mediatype) to Felix
still open
[10] http://www.w3.org/2002/06/registering-mediatype)
Action 277 (Color-code cells in Mappings table dependent on
unstable ITS categories or in XLIFF) to David Filip is still
ongoing as we still need work on XLIFF
<trackbot> Error finding '277'. You can review and register
nicknames at
<[11]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/u
sers>.
[11] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/users%3E.
DaveL is willing to take over Action-310 (Go through the
document and check data category naming (capital first letter
plus hyperlink)
<fsasaki>
[12]https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/a
ctions/310 now daveL
[12] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/310
Action-333 (Check if the tables in the draft can get a caption
and numbering (might need change to odd and xslt) DaveL is
asking whether anyone other than Felix, from editors is on the
call.
<daveL_>
[13]https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/a
ctions/333
[13] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/333
Shaunm will take over Action-333
<fsasaki>
[14]https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/a
ctions/333 now shaun
[14] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/333
Jirka has agreed to take over action-341 (check syntax
highlighting of html examples with focus on quotes)
ACTION-356 (Draft non-normative definition of "annotation")
sill open with Christian L
<fsasaki>
[15]https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/a
ctions/341 now jirka
[15] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/341
Action-377 (provide rewrite of section 1 and 2 by mid Jan,
taking editoral comments in issue-61 into account)
David F to get involved with Action-377 (with Christian L)
ACTION-378 (provide an example for clarified "uncategorized"
quality issue type value, see 2) at
[16]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
lt-comments/2012Dec/0022.html and issue-60) with Arle L - DaveL
believes this is resolved
[16] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments/2012Dec/0022.html
Felix indicates that Arle wanted to make a clarification. Still
needs to be implemented (the clarification)
Action-379 (provide an update of the mapping "quality issue
type values to existing tool values", see 3) at
[17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
lt-comments/2012Dec/0022.html and issue-60)
[17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments/2012Dec/0022.html
This is a non-normative topic that still needs to be updated
(by Arle)
<fsasaki>
[18]https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/a
ctions/381 now daveL
[18] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/381
Action-381: DaveL is willing to take over from Felix. (Come
back to "relation between data categories" examples mentioned
at
[19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
lt/2012Dec/0088.html)
[19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Dec/0088.html)
<trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-381 Come back to "relation
between data categories" examples mentioned at
[20]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
lt/2012Dec/0088.html.
[20] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Dec/0088.html.
Action-385 (Shaun McC) Work on regex for validating regex
subset proposal)
On this, Felix had errors using Oxygen. Shaun will look in.
Action-389 (Felix) (Change example on its-tool-annotation).
DaveL will take over from Felix.
<fsasaki>
[21]https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/a
ctions/389 now daveL
[21] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/389
<fsasaki>
[22]https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/a
ctions/390
[22] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/390
Action-390 (check disambig examples and test suite with regards
to presence of annotatorsRef). Tadej says examples are all
correct.
omstefanov suggests referring to "disambig" as "text
annotation" throughout further MLW-LT WG
DaveL says Tadej should assist editors here
Action-389 - DaveL will take over from Felix
Action-390 remains open, with Tadej
Action-392: Make the edit for issue 76. Does anyone know where
Arle is on this. Felix says unclear whether just wording change
or change of implementation.
<trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-392 Make the edit for issue
76.
Action-393 (go back to Richard I. about new resolution for
issue-79) DaveL
<fsasaki>
[23]https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/i
ssues/79
[23] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/79
Davel is asking for someone to take over
Felix says just one sentence needs to be changed, email sent to
Richard. DaveL agrees to take this over
<fsasaki>
[24]https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/a
ctions/394
[24] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/394
Action-394 (Add links to examples for issue 80)
<fsasaki> action-394?
<trackbot> ACTION-394 -- Felix Sasaki to add links to examples
for issue 80 -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[25]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
tions/394
[25] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/394
<fsasaki>
[26]https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/i
ssues/80
[26] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/80
Felix suggests that this needs an editor to do this.
action-395?
<trackbot> ACTION-395 -- Felix Sasaki to check what of lang and
xml;lang takes precedence -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[27]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
tions/395
[27] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/395
<fsasaki> action-395?
<trackbot> ACTION-395 -- Felix Sasaki to check what of lang and
xml;lang takes precedence -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[28]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
tions/395
[28] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/395
we discussed this last week. broad conclusion is that wording
is okay. DaveL has followup action to see how this works with
HTML vs. XML
Felix will keep this action item.
action-396?
<trackbot> ACTION-396 -- Ankit Srivastava to create example for
xml;lang / lang -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[29]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
tions/396
[29] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/396
<fsasaki> action-396?
<trackbot> ACTION-396 -- Ankit Srivastava to create example for
xml;lang / lang -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[30]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
tions/396
[30] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/396
<fsasaki> close action-396
<trackbot> Closed ACTION-396 Create example for xml;lang /
lang.
This action should be closed. Has been done.
action-398?
<trackbot> ACTION-398 -- Felix Sasaki to answer Richard to
indicate we'll address this with a rule file in BP -- due
2013-01-30 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[31]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
tions/398
[31] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/398
DaveL is taking this over.
<fsasaki>
[32]https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/a
ctions/398 now daveL
[32] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/398
action-399?
<trackbot> ACTION-399 -- Felix Sasaki to draft non-normative
section clarifying relations to HTML for issue 89 -- due
2013-01-30 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[33]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
tions/399
[33] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/399
<daveL_>
[34]https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/i
ssues/89
[34] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/89
<daveL_>
[35]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
lt-comments/2013Jan/0071.html
[35] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments/2013Jan/0071.html
Felix explains that relation between its and HTML5 needs to be
made more clear.
DaveL asked Christian L whether this could be covered in
Introduction (to its 2.0)
Christian L says so far he has not written anything about this.
Will do so in next draft, and get persons more knowledgable
with HTML5 to review draft text.
Should this action (399) be moved to Christian (to do in his
update to Section 1)
<fsasaki>
[36]https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/a
ctions/399 now christianL
[36] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/399
as no objections action 399 to christianL
Action-400?
<trackbot> ACTION-400 -- Felix Sasaki to edit the specification
for Language (MUST missing, etc.) -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[37]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
tions/400
[37] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/400
DaveL says simple edit ("must" missing, etc.)
To be left pending, as DaveL and Felix cannot find substance of
what needs to be done.
action-405?
<trackbot> ACTION-405 -- Felix Sasaki to follow up with
Christian on tekom as an option. -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[38]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
tions/405
[38] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/405
scribe: for a workshop towards the end of the year. Felix will
keep open and follow up.
action-408?
<trackbot> ACTION-408 -- Felix Sasaki to ensure that there is
no MUST in any notes. -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[39]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
tions/408
[39] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/408
action-408: to DaveL
<trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-408 Ensure that there is no
MUST in any notes..
<fsasaki>
[40]https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/a
ctions/408 now daveL
[40] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/408
action-412?
<trackbot> ACTION-412 -- Felix Sasaki to let Norbert know that
issue-95 is out of scope. -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[41]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
tions/412
[41] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/412
action-414: to DaveL
<trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-414 Make edit for issue-100
and get back to Norbert..
will follow up with Norbert
action-415?
<trackbot> ACTION-415 -- Felix Sasaki to update unicode
reference for issue-104 -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[42]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
tions/415
[42] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/415
keep with Felix and keep open
action-416?
<trackbot> ACTION-416 -- Karl Fritsche to propose solution to
Norbert and then Felix can add to spec. -- due 2013-01-30 --
OPEN
<trackbot>
[43]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
tions/416
[43] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/416
Karl said a solution was proposed, sent to Norbert, but no
response as of now.
DaveL asks Karl to send a 2nd reminder (to Norbert).
needs to be done as spec change
action-419?
<trackbot> ACTION-419 -- Jirka Kosek to make schematron tests
described at
[44]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Own
ership_of_rfc2119_statements#Purpose -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
[44] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Ownership_of_rfc2119_statements#Purpose
<trackbot>
[45]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
tions/419
[45] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/419
<scribe> pending, as Jirka not on cal
action-420?
<trackbot> ACTION-420 -- Felix Sasaki to make edit for
issue-111 -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[46]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
tions/420
[46] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/420
<fsasaki>
[47]https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/i
ssues/111
[47] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/111
<fsasaki> "Implementations MUST NOT combine lists of language
ranges from multiple rules or local attributes." This is not
needed: overriding of ITS information covers this, hence
deleting the sentence.
action420: to Jirka
aCTION-412?
<trackbot> ACTION-412 -- David Lewis to let Norbert know that
issue-95 is out of scope. -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[48]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
tions/412
[48] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/412
quality-related "must" statements. to be kept open for Arle
action-422?
<trackbot> ACTION-422 -- Arle Lommel to do copy-editing on the
spec -- due 2013-04-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[49]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
tions/422
[49] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/422
any volunteers to assist, as Arle busy leading up to Rome
Shaunm volunteers to help
DaveL says, exclude look at Section 1, but rest, incl. annexes
needs careful read through.
Shaunm asks about whether changes need to be approved. DaveL
indicates editorial changes do not, anything that changes
meaning does.
David F points out that this doesn
't need to be pushed too hard, as Arle took this over with
deadline in April.
Felix points out that we now need to concentrate on normative
changes. Editorial changes can wait.
action-423?
<trackbot> ACTION-423 -- Felix Sasaki to do edits for issue-113
-- due 2013-01-31 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[50]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
tions/423
[50] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/423
<daveL_>
[51]https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/i
ssues/113
[51] https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/113
Felix suggests giving this to Yves (not on call).
action-424?
<trackbot> ACTION-424 -- Arle Lommel to fix section 8.9 note:
"since the extra training resources does not justify the
improvement in the output." -> "since the extra training
resources do not justify the improvement in the output." -- due
2013-01-31 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[52]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
tions/424
[52] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/424
leave with Arle
action-426?
<trackbot> ACTION-426 -- Arle Lommel to create an indicator for
poster relations -- due 2013-01-31 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[53]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
tions/426
[53] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/426
DaveL sent out something on this earlier today.
Wait until reactions.
action428?
were going to have separate page, but now want people to update
their links on their use pages
<fsasaki>
[54]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Use
_cases_-_high_level_summary
[54] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Use_cases_-_high_level_summary
asks ChristianL to check other links to see if up-to-date
(implementations of use cases)
action-429?
<trackbot> ACTION-429 -- Felix Sasaki to check xliff ITS
mapping namespace hosting in w3c -- due 2013-01-31 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[55]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
tions/429
[55] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/429
Felix says not urgent for its spec
can wait
action430?
action-430?
<trackbot> ACTION-430 -- Shaun McCance to draft text explaining
importance of Unicode normalization and best practices on
ISSUE-67 -- due 2013-02-04 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[56]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/ac
tions/430
[56] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/430
<scribe> ongoing
Christian asks to spend 2 min on high level use cases
Christian recommends that we will benefit if using some sort of
template for examples.
Christian says has largely been done, but sees one discrepancy
is referring to 3rd part in each section template
<chriLi> More Information and Implementation Status/Issues
<chriLi> Detailed slides at , Running software, ....
in some sections we have detail slides and running software and
source code (not in other?)
<chriLi>
[57]http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Use
_cases_-_high_level_summary#Simple_Machine_Translation
[57] http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Use_cases_-_high_level_summary#Simple_Machine_Translation
should we have guidance that each and every implementor be
required to do this?
is this appropriate information to have in a note?
DaveL suggests that one option is NOT to have it in.
ChristianL responds that at this point in time this info is
very useful.
But, ChristianL says he sees how some of this info can become
"stale" over time and thus sees not have it in formal note
felix suggests leaving a working draft that, before the WG
closes later this year that can be updated later
<daveL_> ACTION: dlewis6 to send mail instructing use case
writer to include linked to further information and working
prototpyes [recorded in
[58]http://www.w3.org/2013/02/13-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-448 - Send mail instructing use case
writer to include linked to further information and working
prototpyes [on David Lewis - due 2013-02-20].
DaveL asks felix whether there is anything else to take over
<daveL_> olaf made point that flights and hotel in rome are
going quickly
felix asks whether to skip Monday call
DaveL suggests that there are issues for Monday. (Tadej and
Christian to report.) DaveL will chair again.
Felix indicates that there will be NO merging of
datacategories, only levels dropped
Felix thinks that the name changes can also be accepted as
non-normative.
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: dlewis6 to send mail instructing use case writer
to include linked to further information and working prototpyes
[recorded in
[59]http://www.w3.org/2013/02/13-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action01]
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