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13:01:53 <daveL_> Meeting: MLW-lT Phone call 13,2,2013 13.00 UTC
13:02:09 <daveL_> chair: daveL
13:02:21 <daveL_> present+ DaveLewis
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13:03:20 <daveL_> regrets: felix, jirka, Dom, Jorge, Yves, Pablo
13:04:03 <daveL_> scribe: omstefanov
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13:04:38 <omstefanov> topic: 1) Action item and issue re-distribution
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13:04:59 <daveL_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2013Feb/0066.html
13:05:16 <omstefanov>  https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/open
13:05:20 <omstefanov> https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/open
13:05:40 <daveL_> https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/open
13:05:59 <omstefanov> We start with open action items.
13:06:26 <omstefanov> DaveL says lots are assigned to Felix, so we need volunteers to help
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13:07:24 <omstefanov> Action-215 (Generate a sample of testing involving XLIFF) David Filip has prepared some samples.
13:08:00 <omstefanov> At last meeting it was decided we need more samples, daveL made some, with Leroy, and after testing they will be put up
13:08:16 <omstefanov> daveL is closing action item 215
13:08:50 <omstefanov> Action-251 (make the necessary steps for the mime type section during last call mentioned at http://www.w3.org/2002/06/registering-mediatype) to Felix still open
13:09:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/13-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki
13:09:51 <omstefanov> Action 277 (Color-code cells in Mappings table dependent on unstable ITS categories or in XLIFF) to David Filip is still ongoing as we still need work on XLIFF
13:09:51 <trackbot> Error finding '277'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/users>.
13:09:57 <fsasaki> present+ felix
13:10:21 <dF> present+ dF
13:10:35 <omstefanov> DaveL is willing to take over Action-310 (Go through the document and check data category naming (capital first letter plus hyperlink)
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13:10:44 <fsasaki> https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/310 now daveL
13:11:21 <omstefanov> Action-333 (Check if the tables in the draft can get a caption and numbering (might need change to odd and xslt) DaveL is asking whether anyone other than Felix, from editors is on the call.
13:11:32 <daveL_> https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/333
13:11:33 <Milan> present+ Milan
13:11:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/13-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki
13:12:14 <omstefanov> Shaunm will take over Action-333
13:12:35 <fsasaki> https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/333 now shaun
13:12:47 <omstefanov> Jirka has agreed to take over action-341 (check syntax highlighting of html examples with focus on quotes)
13:13:18 <omstefanov> ACTION-356 (Draft non-normative definition of "annotation") sill open with Christian L
13:13:34 <fsasaki> https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/341 now jirka
13:13:39 <omstefanov> Action-377 (provide rewrite of section 1 and 2 by mid Jan, taking editoral comments in issue-61 into account)
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13:14:37 <omstefanov> David F to get involved with Action-377 (with Christian L)
13:14:42 <Pedro> present+ Pedro
13:15:47 <omstefanov> ACTION-378 (provide an example for clarified "uncategorized" quality issue type value, see 2) at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments/2012Dec/0022.html and issue-60) with Arle L - DaveL believes this is resolved
13:16:14 <omstefanov> Felix indicates that Arle wanted to make a clarification. Still needs to be implemented (the clarification)
13:16:32 <omstefanov> Action-379 (provide an update of the mapping "quality issue type values to existing tool values", see 3) at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments/2012Dec/0022.html and issue-60)
13:16:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/13-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki
13:16:48 <omstefanov> This is a non-normative topic that still needs to be updated (by Arle)
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13:17:30 <fsasaki> https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/381 now daveL
13:17:32 <omstefanov> Action-381: DaveL is willing to take over from Felix.  (Come back to "relation between data categories" examples mentioned at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Dec/0088.html)
13:17:32 <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-381 Come back to "relation between data categories" examples mentioned at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Dec/0088.html.
13:18:14 <omstefanov> Action-385 (Shaun McC) Work on regex for validating regex subset proposal)
13:18:25 <tadej> present+ tadej
13:18:49 <omstefanov> On this, Felix had errors using Oxygen. Shaun will look in.
13:19:39 <omstefanov> Action-389 (Felix) (Change example on its-tool-annotation). DaveL will take over from Felix.
13:20:09 <fsasaki> https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/389 now daveL
13:21:16 <fsasaki> https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/390
13:21:23 <omstefanov> Action-390 (check disambig examples and test suite with regards to presence of annotatorsRef). Tadej says examples are all correct.
13:21:57 <omstefanov> omstefanov suggests referring to "disambig" as "text annotation" throughout further MLW-LT WG
13:22:05 <kfritsche> present+ cweins
13:22:16 <omstefanov> DaveL says Tadej should assist editors here
13:22:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/13-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki
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13:23:53 <omstefanov> Action-389 - DaveL will take over from Felix
13:24:04 <omstefanov> Action-390 remains open, with Tadej
13:24:58 <omstefanov> Action-392: Make the edit for issue 76. Does anyone know where Arle is on this. Felix says unclear whether just wording change or change of implementation.
13:24:58 <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-392 Make the edit for issue 76.
13:25:42 <omstefanov> Action-393 (go back to Richard I. about new resolution for issue-79) DaveL
13:25:44 <fsasaki> https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/79
13:25:51 <omstefanov> Davel is asking for someone to take over
13:26:25 <omstefanov> Felix says just one sentence needs to be changed, email sent to Richard. DaveL agrees to take this over
13:27:10 <fsasaki> https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/394
13:27:18 <omstefanov> Action-394 (Add links to examples for issue 80)
13:27:19 <fsasaki> action-394?
13:27:19 <trackbot> ACTION-394 -- Felix Sasaki to add links to examples for issue 80 -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
13:27:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/394
13:27:22 <fsasaki> https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/80
13:27:56 <omstefanov> Felix suggests that this needs an editor to do this.
13:28:40 <omstefanov> action-395?
13:28:40 <trackbot> ACTION-395 -- Felix Sasaki to check what of lang and xml;lang takes precedence -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
13:28:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/395
13:28:46 <fsasaki> action-395?
13:28:46 <trackbot> ACTION-395 -- Felix Sasaki to check what of lang and xml;lang takes precedence -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
13:28:46 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/395
13:29:46 <omstefanov> we discussed this last week. broad conclusion is that wording is okay. DaveL has followup action to see how this works with HTML vs. XML
13:30:04 <omstefanov> Felix will keep this action item.
13:30:12 <omstefanov> action-396?
13:30:12 <trackbot> ACTION-396 -- Ankit Srivastava to create example for xml;lang / lang -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
13:30:12 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/396
13:30:18 <fsasaki> action-396?
13:30:18 <trackbot> ACTION-396 -- Ankit Srivastava to create example for xml;lang / lang -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
13:30:18 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/396
13:30:58 <fsasaki> close action-396
13:30:58 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-396 Create example for xml;lang / lang.
13:31:02 <omstefanov> This action should be closed. Has been done.
13:31:14 <omstefanov> action-398?
13:31:14 <trackbot> ACTION-398 -- Felix Sasaki to answer Richard to indicate we'll address this with a rule file in BP -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
13:31:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/398
13:31:21 <omstefanov> DaveL is taking this over.
13:31:34 <fsasaki> https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/398 now daveL
13:31:39 <omstefanov> action-399?
13:31:39 <trackbot> ACTION-399 -- Felix Sasaki to draft non-normative section clarifying relations to HTML for issue 89 -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
13:31:39 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/399
13:31:51 <daveL_> https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/89
13:32:18 <daveL_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments/2013Jan/0071.html
13:33:49 <omstefanov> Felix explains that relation between its and HTML5 needs to be made more clear.
13:34:27 <omstefanov> DaveL asked Christian L whether this could be covered in Introduction (to its 2.0)
13:35:11 <omstefanov> Christian L says so far he has not written anything about this. Will do so in next draft, and get persons more knowledgable with HTML5 to review draft text.
13:35:37 <omstefanov> Should this action (399) be moved to Christian (to do in his update to Section 1)
13:35:41 <fsasaki> https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/399 now christianL
13:35:53 <omstefanov> as no objections action 399 to christianL
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13:36:15 <omstefanov> Action-400?
13:36:15 <trackbot> ACTION-400 -- Felix Sasaki to edit the specification for Language (MUST missing, etc.) -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
13:36:15 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/400
13:36:42 <omstefanov> DaveL says simple edit ("must" missing, etc.)
13:41:22 <omstefanov> To be left pending, as DaveL and Felix cannot find substance of what needs to be done.
13:41:35 <omstefanov> action-405?
13:41:35 <trackbot> ACTION-405 -- Felix Sasaki to follow up with Christian on tekom as an option. -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
13:41:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/405
13:42:16 <omstefanov> ... for a workshop towards the end of the year. Felix will keep open and follow up.
13:42:20 <omstefanov> action-408?
13:42:20 <trackbot> ACTION-408 -- Felix Sasaki to ensure that there is no MUST in any notes. -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
13:42:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/408
13:42:49 <omstefanov> action-408: to DaveL
13:42:49 <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-408 Ensure that there is no MUST in any notes..
13:42:53 <fsasaki> https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/408 now daveL
13:42:56 <omstefanov> action-412?
13:42:56 <trackbot> ACTION-412 -- Felix Sasaki to let Norbert know that issue-95 is out of scope. -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
13:42:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/412
13:43:18 <omstefanov> action-414: to DaveL
13:43:18 <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-414 Make edit for issue-100 and get back to Norbert..
13:43:29 <omstefanov> will follow up with Norbert
13:43:32 <omstefanov> action-415?
13:43:32 <trackbot> ACTION-415 -- Felix Sasaki to update unicode reference for issue-104 -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
13:43:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/415
13:44:02 <omstefanov> keep with Felix and keep open
13:44:06 <omstefanov> action-416?
13:44:06 <trackbot> ACTION-416 -- Karl Fritsche to propose solution to Norbert and then Felix can add to spec. -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
13:44:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/416
13:44:39 <omstefanov> Karl said a solution was proposed, sent to Norbert, but no response as of now.
13:44:56 <omstefanov> DaveL asks Karl to send a 2nd reminder (to Norbert).
13:45:03 <omstefanov> needs to be done as spec change
13:45:07 <omstefanov> action-419?
13:45:07 <trackbot> ACTION-419 -- Jirka Kosek to make schematron tests described at http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Ownership_of_rfc2119_statements#Purpose -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
13:45:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/419
13:45:16 <omstefanov> pending, as Jirka not on cal
13:45:20 <omstefanov> action-420?
13:45:20 <trackbot> ACTION-420 -- Felix Sasaki to make edit for issue-111 -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
13:45:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/420
13:45:44 <fsasaki> https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/111
13:45:54 <fsasaki> "Implementations MUST NOT combine lists of language ranges from multiple rules or local attributes." This is not needed: overriding of ITS information covers this, hence deleting the sentence.
13:46:26 <omstefanov> action420: to Jirka
13:47:14 <omstefanov> aCTION-412?
13:47:14 <trackbot> ACTION-412 -- David Lewis to let Norbert know that issue-95 is out of scope. -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
13:47:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/412
13:47:39 <omstefanov> quality-related "must" statements. to be kept open for Arle
13:47:48 <omstefanov> action-422?
13:47:48 <trackbot> ACTION-422 -- Arle Lommel to do copy-editing on the spec -- due 2013-04-01 -- OPEN
13:47:48 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/422
13:48:07 <omstefanov> any volunteers to assist, as Arle busy leading up to Rome
13:48:32 <omstefanov> Shaunm volunteers to help
13:49:45 <omstefanov> DaveL says, exclude look at Section 1, but rest, incl. annexes needs careful read through.
13:50:40 <omstefanov> Shaunm asks about whether changes need to be approved. DaveL indicates editorial changes do not, anything that changes meaning does.
13:50:52 <omstefanov> David F points out that this doesn
13:51:16 <omstefanov> 't need to be pushed too hard, as Arle took this over with deadline in April.
13:52:03 <omstefanov> Felix points out that we now need to concentrate on normative changes. Editorial changes can wait.
13:52:19 <omstefanov> action-423?
13:52:19 <trackbot> ACTION-423 -- Felix Sasaki to do edits for issue-113 -- due 2013-01-31 -- OPEN
13:52:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/423
13:52:31 <daveL_> https://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/issues/113
13:52:57 <omstefanov> Felix suggests giving this to Yves (not on call).
13:53:30 <omstefanov> action-424?
13:53:30 <trackbot> ACTION-424 -- Arle Lommel to fix section 8.9 note: "since the extra training resources does not justify the improvement in the output." -> "since the extra training resources do not justify the improvement in the output." -- due 2013-01-31 -- OPEN
13:53:31 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/424
13:53:41 <omstefanov> leave with Arle
13:53:46 <omstefanov> action-426?
13:53:46 <trackbot> ACTION-426 -- Arle Lommel to create an indicator for poster relations -- due 2013-01-31 -- OPEN
13:53:46 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/426
13:54:09 <omstefanov> DaveL sent out something on this earlier today.
13:54:14 <omstefanov> Wait until reactions.
13:54:21 <omstefanov> action428?
13:54:43 <omstefanov> were going to have separate page, but now want people to update their links on their use pages
13:55:05 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Use_cases_-_high_level_summary
13:55:08 <omstefanov> asks ChristianL to check other links to see if up-to-date (implementations of use cases)
13:55:18 <omstefanov> action-429?
13:55:18 <trackbot> ACTION-429 -- Felix Sasaki to check xliff ITS mapping namespace hosting in w3c -- due 2013-01-31 -- OPEN
13:55:18 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/429
13:55:40 <omstefanov> Felix says not urgent for its spec
13:55:43 <omstefanov> can wait
13:55:46 <omstefanov> action430?
13:55:56 <omstefanov> action-430?
13:55:56 <trackbot> ACTION-430 -- Shaun McCance to draft text explaining importance of Unicode normalization and best practices on ISSUE-67 -- due 2013-02-04 -- OPEN
13:55:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/actions/430
13:56:06 <omstefanov> ongoing
13:56:21 <omstefanov> Christian asks to spend 2 min on high level use cases
13:56:49 <omstefanov> Christian recommends that we will benefit if using some sort of template for examples.
13:57:05 <omstefanov> Christian says has largely been done, but sees one discrepancy
13:57:19 <omstefanov> is referring to 3rd part in each section template
13:57:26 <chriLi> More Information and Implementation Status/Issues
13:58:00 <chriLi> Detailed slides at , Running software, ....
13:58:08 <omstefanov> in some sections we have detail slides and running software and source code (not in other?)
13:58:17 <chriLi> http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/Use_cases_-_high_level_summary#Simple_Machine_Translation
13:58:42 <omstefanov> should we have guidance that each and every implementor be required to do this?
13:58:58 <omstefanov> is this appropriate information to have in a note?
13:59:12 <omstefanov> DaveL suggests that one option is NOT to have it in.
13:59:28 <omstefanov> ChristianL responds that at this point in time this info is very useful.
14:00:00 <omstefanov> But, ChristianL says he sees how some of this info can become "stale" over time and thus sees not have it in formal note
14:01:15 <omstefanov> felix suggests leaving a working draft that, before the WG closes later this year that can be updated later
14:02:35 <daveL_> action: dlewis6 to send mail instructing use case writer to include linked to further information and working prototpyes
14:02:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-448 - Send mail instructing use case writer to include linked to further information and working prototpyes [on David Lewis - due 2013-02-20].
14:03:39 <omstefanov> DaveL asks felix whether there is anything else to take over
14:04:24 <daveL_> olaf made point that flights and hotel in rome are going quickly
14:05:17 <omstefanov> felix asks whether to skip Monday call
14:06:14 <omstefanov> DaveL suggests that there are issues for Monday. (Tadej and Christian to report.) DaveL will chair again.
14:06:38 <omstefanov> Felix indicates that there will be NO merging of datacategories, only levels dropped
14:07:03 <omstefanov> Felix thinks that the name changes can also be accepted as non-normative.
14:08:03 <omstefanov> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:08:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/13-mlw-lt-minutes.html omstefanov
14:10:59 <daveL_> rrsagent, generate minutes
14:10:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/13-mlw-lt-minutes.html daveL_
14:11:11 <daveL_> rrsagent, make logs public
14:28:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/13-mlw-lt-minutes.html fsasaki
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