Re: order within a @prefix

I think the attributes should be processed in DOM order, and that 
@profile is the exception, not the rule.  DOM order would also be 
consistent with xmlns:a=something xmlns:a=something else.  But this is 
definitely NOT editorial - which is why I think it needs to be a formal 
last call issue.

On 12/2/2010 6:33 AM, Ivan Herman wrote:
> Mark,
>
> to be absolutely honest with you: I do not care. This is a typical edge case; no author in his/her able mind would do this anyway. But an implementation has to know, so we need a resolution. If we want to make use a virtual coin, that can also work...
>
> Ivan
>
>
>
> On Dec 2, 2010, at 13:14 , Mark Birbeck wrote:
>
>> Hi Ivan,
>>
>> I guess in one sense left-right v. right-left doesn't make much
>> difference. However, our processing rules generally have a sort of
>> 'later overrides earlier' aspect to them, based on the hierarchical
>> nature of the documents that we're parsing. Having a rule where the
>> deeper nodes override their parents' values makes processing very
>> easy.
>>
>> Now, of course you could say that 'latest wins' would still be the
>> rule inside the @prefix attribute if we processed from right to left.
>> But I do think that would be a little odd, given that conventionally
>> people see the DOM hierarchy as going from left to right.
>>
>> To illustrate, our processing model would say that the second
>> occurrence of 'foaf' in this example applies due to the hierarchy (in
>> a sense, it's 'later overrides earlier'):
>>
>>   <div prefix="foaf: http://blah1">
>>     <div prefix="foaf: http://blah2">
>>       <!-- use blah2 --->
>>     </div>
>>   </div>
>>
>> Writing an example where the same prefix is defined in @prefix might
>> look like this:
>>
>>   <div prefix="foaf: http://blah1
>>                     foaf: http://blah2">
>>       <!-- should really use blah2 --->
>>     </div>
>>   </div>
>>
>> I think it would be counterintuitive if the left-most prefix was
>> preferred over the right-most one, in this example.
>>
>> This simplicity of overriding is lost in the processing of profiles
>> (as a result of the resolution you refer to on ISSUE-23). The way that
>> the processing is now described in section 9 implies that you need to
>> track each profile loaded to see if there is a conflict later. Of
>> course, the easiest way to implement this is to process from right to
>> left, which removes the need to track each profile, but then I think
>> most implementers will rightly ask...why is everything else going from
>> left to right, except @profile?
>>
>> We know that the only reason profile processing was made to work from
>> right to left was due to the legacy use of @profile, in which only the
>> first value had significance; some argued that this implied that the
>> left-most profile should be the most important, and therefore should
>> override others.
>>
>> Personally, I didn't find this very convincing (and the resolution
>> didn't have great support), but we have the resolution now.
>>
>> However, given that we have the resolution to deal with a legacy
>> issue, it should really be regarded as an anomaly, I it certainly
>> shouldn't be used as a model for other processing rules.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Ivan Herman<ivan@w3.org>  wrote:
>>> Shane,
>>>
>>> there is no separate comment list; the reference in the document for comments is the WG mailing list...
>>>
>>> But yes, this _is_ a last call comment, though I thought it is an editorial issue.
>>>
>>> So, to make it clear, the question is what is the effect of @prefix="a: http://a.b a: http://c.d". In my original mail I said it should be left to right. But I since seemed to remember that we decided to have it right to left, ie, in my example, the result should be a->http://a.b. I tried to find a resolution in the mail archives, but I could not. However I did find this:
>>>
>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdfa-wg/2010May/0123.html
>>>
>>> which led to a discussion thread on the relative priority within a @profile. This led to this resolution:
>>>
>>> http://www.w3.org/2010/02/rdfa/meetings/2010-06-03#resolution_7
>>>
>>> ie, left-most declaration wins. I have not found any resolutions related to @prefix. However, based on the the resolution we have already taken for @profile I would propose to define the same order for @prefix and that should be documented in RDFa 1.1 Core
>>>
>>> Ivan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 2, 2010, at 02:01 , Shane McCarron wrote:
>>>
>>>> Since we are in last call, please submit this as a last call comment to the appropriate public list before the deadline.
>>>>
>>>> On 12/1/2010 6:16 PM, Toby Inkster wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 1 Dec 2010 11:21:55 +0100
>>>>> Ivan Herman<ivan@w3.org>   wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> @prefix="a: http://a.b a: http://c.d"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> will end in a->http://c.d
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, I tried to locate this in the document and I could not...
>>>>> That's what I do, but I agree we need to make this explicit as it's a
>>>>> case that implementors will definitely need to handle.
>>>>>
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