ISSUE-54: tools that can't generate <!DOCTYPE html>

doctype-legacy-compat

tools that can't generate <!DOCTYPE html>

State:
CLOSED
Product:
HTML 5 spec
Raised by:
Julian Reschke
Opened on:
2008-06-26
Description:
Of XSLT's output modes (XML/HTML/TEXT), none can currently be used to produce the HTML5 doctype string, as defined in <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/html5/#the-doctype>.

Obviously it would be good if XSLT can be used to generate valid HTML5 documents.

Thus, either the current (required) doc type in HTML5 should be reconsidered, or XSLT should be updated to support an HTML5 output mode.

See also <http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5803>.

We seem to have consensus:

ISSUE-54: <!DOCTYPE HTML SYSTEM "about:legacy-compat">
30 Jan 2009 08:26:23 +0000

Ian Hickson notes that he updated the spec on Jan 30th, 2009 to use the "about:legacy-compat" approach:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Jan/0640.html

HTML5-SPEC-SECTIONS [the-doctype]
Related Actions Items:
Related emails:
  1. Fwd: [apps-discuss] Request for reviews of draft-holsten-about-uri-scheme-04.txt (also ACTION-103 and ISSUE-54) (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2010-09-20)
  2. minutes of 2009-10-01 telcon (from mike@w3.org on 2009-10-02)
  3. Agenda for HTML WG telcon 2009-09-24 - CfCs, Accessibility TF, Testing TF, etc. (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-09-30)
  4. Minutes 2009-09-24 (from annevk@opera.com on 2009-09-24)
  5. Agenda for HTML WG telcon 2009-09-24 - CfCs, Accessibility TF, Testing TF, etc. (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2009-09-22)
  6. FW: Agenda for HTML WG telcon 2009-09-24 - CfCs, Accessibility TF, Testing TF, etc. (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2009-09-22)
  7. minutes for 2009-09-03 telcon (from mike@w3.org on 2009-09-05)
  8. Re: Agenda for HTML WG telcon 2009-08-20 - Accessibility TF, HTML5 Test Suite, etc (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-09-03)
  9. Re: Agenda for HTML WG telcon 2009-08-20 - Accessibility TF, HTML5 Test Suite, etc (from lachlan.hunt@lachy.id.au on 2009-09-03)
  10. Re: Agenda for HTML WG telcon 2009-08-20 - Accessibility TF, HTML5 Test Suite, etc (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-09-02)
  11. Re: Agenda for HTML WG telcon 2009-08-20 - Accessibility TF, HTML5 Test Suite, etc (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-09-02)
  12. Agenda for HTML WG telcon 2009-08-20 - Accessibility TF, HTML5 Test Suite, etc (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-09-01)
  13. {minutes} HTML WG telcon 2009-08-27 (from annevk@opera.com on 2009-08-27)
  14. {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-08-27 *PLEASE-READ* (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-08-26)
  15. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat - suggest closing on 2009-09-03 (from connolly@w3.org on 2009-08-21)
  16. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat - suggest closing on 2009-09-03 (from connolly@w3.org on 2009-08-21)
  17. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat - suggest closing on 2009-09-03 (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-08-21)
  18. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat - suggest closing on 2009-09-03 (from lachlan.hunt@lachy.id.au on 2009-08-21)
  19. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat - suggest closing on 2009-09-03 (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-08-21)
  20. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat - suggest closing on 2009-09-03 (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-08-21)
  21. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat - suggest closing on 2009-09-03 (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-08-21)
  22. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat - suggest closing on 2009-09-03 (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-08-21)
  23. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat - suggest closing on 2009-09-03 (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-08-21)
  24. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat - suggest closing on 2009-09-03 (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-08-21)
  25. ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat - suggest closing on 2009-09-03 (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-08-20)
  26. {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-08-20 (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-08-19)
  27. Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-06-22)
  28. Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-06-15)
  29. Re: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-06-04 -- minutes enclosed (from singer@apple.com on 2009-06-04)
  30. Re: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-06-04 -- minutes enclosed (from singer@apple.com on 2009-06-04)
  31. Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-06-01)
  32. Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-05-11)
  33. Re: ACTION-103, was: Registering the about: URI scheme (from joseph@josephholsten.com on 2009-05-08)
  34. Re: ACTION-103, was: Registering the about: URI scheme (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-05-08)
  35. minutes: HTML WG telecon 2009-05-07 [draft] (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-05-07)
  36. Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-04-27)
  37. Re: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-04-23 (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-04-24)
  38. Re: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-04-23 (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-04-24)
  39. Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-04-21)
  40. Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-04-15)
  41. Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-04-06)
  42. Re: Input on the agenda (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-04-01)
  43. Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-03-31)
  44. Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-03-24)
  45. Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-03-16)
  46. Re: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-03-12 (from lachlan.hunt@lachy.id.au on 2009-03-12)
  47. Re: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-03-12 (from lachlan.hunt@lachy.id.au on 2009-03-12)
  48. {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-03-12 (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-03-11)
  49. {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-03-12 (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-03-11)
  50. Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-03-09)
  51. HTML WG telcon 2009-03-05 *cancelled* (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-03-04)
  52. HTML WG telcon 2009-03-05 *cancelled* (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-03-04)
  53. minutes: HTML WG Weekly 26 Feb 2009 (from connolly@w3.org on 2009-02-26)
  54. minutes: HTML WG Weekly 26 Feb 2009 (from connolly@w3.org on 2009-02-26)
  55. Re: ISSUE-54 doctype-legacy-compat, was: Input on the agenda (from connolly@w3.org on 2009-02-23)
  56. Re: Input on the agenda (from connolly@w3.org on 2009-02-23)
  57. ISSUE-54, was: Input on the agenda (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-02-23)
  58. Input on the agenda (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-02-23)
  59. minutes: HTML WG telecon 2009-02-19 [draft] (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-02-19)
  60. [Minutes] HTML Weekly Teleconference 05 February 2009 (from karl+w3c@la-grange.net on 2009-02-05)
  61. minutes HTML WG Weekly 29 Jan (from connolly@w3.org on 2009-02-02)
  62. ISSUE-54: <!DOCTYPE HTML SYSTEM 'about:legacy-compat'> (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-01-30)
  63. Re: Registering the about: URI scheme (from cam@mcc.id.au on 2009-01-27)
  64. RE: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from masinter@adobe.com on 2009-01-26)
  65. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from lhs@malform.no on 2009-01-26)
  66. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from lhs@malform.no on 2009-01-26)
  67. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from lachlan.hunt@lachy.id.au on 2009-01-26)
  68. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from t.broyer@ltgt.net on 2009-01-26)
  69. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from annevk@opera.com on 2009-01-26)
  70. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-01-26)
  71. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from shadow2531@gmail.com on 2009-01-26)
  72. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from hsivonen@iki.fi on 2009-01-26)
  73. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from lhs@malform.no on 2009-01-26)
  74. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-01-26)
  75. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-01-25)
  76. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from hsivonen@iki.fi on 2009-01-25)
  77. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-01-25)
  78. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from hsivonen@iki.fi on 2009-01-25)
  79. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from hsivonen@iki.fi on 2009-01-25)
  80. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from lachlan.hunt@lachy.id.au on 2009-01-25)
  81. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-01-25)
  82. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-01-25)
  83. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from hsivonen@iki.fi on 2009-01-24)
  84. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from robin@berjon.com on 2009-01-24)
  85. RE: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from masinter@adobe.com on 2009-01-23)
  86. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from ian@hixie.ch on 2009-01-23)
  87. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from connolly@w3.org on 2009-01-23)
  88. minutes: HTML WG weekly telcon 22 Jan 2009 (from connolly@w3.org on 2009-01-23)
  89. Re: ISSUE-54 / ISSUE-4.: versioning and doctype-legacy-compat (from rob@robburns.com on 2009-01-20)
  90. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from t.broyer@ltgt.net on 2009-01-20)
  91. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (leaking into ISSUE-4 (html-versioning)) (from connolly@w3.org on 2009-01-20)
  92. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (leaking into ISSUE-4 (html-versioning)) (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2009-01-20)
  93. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from jirka@kosek.cz on 2009-01-20)
  94. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (leaking into ISSUE-4 (html-versioning)) (from P.Taylor@Rhul.Ac.Uk on 2009-01-20)
  95. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (leaking into ISSUE-4 (html-versioning)) (from connolly@w3.org on 2009-01-20)
  96. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from karl+w3c@la-grange.net on 2009-01-20)
  97. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from bzbarsky@MIT.EDU on 2009-01-20)
  98. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from karl@la-grange.net on 2009-01-20)
  99. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from rob@robburns.com on 2009-01-20)
  100. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from bzbarsky@MIT.EDU on 2009-01-20)
  101. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from karl@la-grange.net on 2009-01-20)
  102. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from bzbarsky@MIT.EDU on 2009-01-20)
  103. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from karl@la-grange.net on 2009-01-20)
  104. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from karl@la-grange.net on 2009-01-20)
  105. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from P.Taylor@Rhul.Ac.Uk on 2009-01-20)
  106. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from jirka@kosek.cz on 2009-01-20)
  107. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from P.Taylor@Rhul.Ac.Uk on 2009-01-20)
  108. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from karl+w3c@la-grange.net on 2009-01-20)
  109. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from robin@berjon.com on 2009-01-20)
  110. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from chaa006@gmail.com on 2009-01-20)
  111. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-01-17)
  112. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-01-17)
  113. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-01-17)
  114. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-01-17)
  115. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-01-17)
  116. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-01-17)
  117. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-01-17)
  118. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-01-17)
  119. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from jirka@kosek.cz on 2009-01-17)
  120. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from jonas@sicking.cc on 2009-01-16)
  121. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from lhs@malform.no on 2009-01-16)
  122. minutes: HTML Weekly Teleconference 15 Jan 2009 (from connolly@w3.org on 2009-01-16)
  123. minutes: HTML Weekly Teleconference 08 Jan 2009 (from connolly@w3.org on 2009-01-16)
  124. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from P.Taylor@Rhul.Ac.Uk on 2009-01-16)
  125. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from rubys@us.ibm.com on 2009-01-16)
  126. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from robin@berjon.com on 2009-01-16)
  127. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from P.Taylor@Rhul.Ac.Uk on 2009-01-16)
  128. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from rubys@us.ibm.com on 2009-01-16)
  129. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from hsivonen@iki.fi on 2009-01-16)
  130. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from t.broyer@ltgt.net on 2009-01-16)
  131. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from lachlan.hunt@lachy.id.au on 2009-01-16)
  132. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from rubys@us.ibm.com on 2009-01-16)
  133. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from jonbarnett@gmail.com on 2009-01-16)
  134. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from hsivonen@iki.fi on 2009-01-16)
  135. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from robin@berjon.com on 2009-01-16)
  136. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from lachlan.hunt@lachy.id.au on 2009-01-16)
  137. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from jgraham@opera.com on 2009-01-16)
  138. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from pjt47@cam.ac.uk on 2009-01-16)
  139. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from mjs@apple.com on 2009-01-16)
  140. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from hsivonen@iki.fi on 2009-01-16)
  141. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from rubys@us.ibm.com on 2009-01-16)
  142. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from jirka@kosek.cz on 2009-01-16)
  143. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from annevk@opera.com on 2009-01-16)
  144. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from jirka@kosek.cz on 2009-01-16)
  145. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from jirka@kosek.cz on 2009-01-16)
  146. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from annevk@opera.com on 2009-01-16)
  147. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from jirka@kosek.cz on 2009-01-16)
  148. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from lachlan.hunt@lachy.id.au on 2009-01-16)
  149. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from rubys@us.ibm.com on 2009-01-16)
  150. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from annevk@opera.com on 2009-01-16)
  151. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from rubys@us.ibm.com on 2009-01-16)
  152. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from jirka@kosek.cz on 2009-01-09)
  153. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from lhs@malform.no on 2009-01-09)
  154. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from shawn@db79.com on 2009-01-08)
  155. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from shawn@db79.com on 2009-01-08)
  156. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from lhs@malform.no on 2009-01-08)
  157. Re: ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2009-01-08)
  158. ISSUE-54: doctype-legacy-compat (from rubys@us.ibm.com on 2009-01-08)
  159. {minutes} 2008-10-23 f2f meeting (day one) (from mike@w3.org on 2008-11-07)
  160. RE: ISSUE-54 (html5-doctype-vs-xslt): XSLT 1.0 can not generate HTML5 documents [HTML 5 spec] (from j_james@mindspring.com on 2008-09-06)
  161. RE: ISSUE-54 (html5-doctype-vs-xslt): XSLT 1.0 can not generate HTML5 documents [HTML 5 spec] (from j_james@mindspring.com on 2008-09-05)
  162. Re: ISSUE-54 (html5-doctype-vs-xslt): XSLT 1.0 can not generate HTML5 documents [HTML 5 spec] (from simonp@opera.com on 2008-09-05)
  163. Re: ISSUE-54 (html5-doctype-vs-xslt): XSLT 1.0 can not generate HTML5 documents [HTML 5 spec] (from bzbarsky@MIT.EDU on 2008-09-05)
  164. RE: ISSUE-54 (html5-doctype-vs-xslt): XSLT 1.0 can not generate HTML5 documents [HTML 5 spec] (from j_james@mindspring.com on 2008-09-05)
  165. Re: ISSUE-54 (html5-doctype-vs-xslt): XSLT 1.0 can not generate HTML5 documents [HTML 5 spec] (from annevk@opera.com on 2008-09-05)
  166. Re: ISSUE-54 (html5-doctype-vs-xslt): XSLT 1.0 can not generate HTML5 documents [HTML 5 spec] (from jonas@sicking.cc on 2008-09-05)
  167. Re: ISSUE-54 (html5-doctype-vs-xslt): XSLT 1.0 can not generate HTML5 documents [HTML 5 spec] (from jirka@kosek.cz on 2008-09-05)
  168. {minutes} HTML WG telcon 2008-09-04 - html5&xslt, @profile, void elements (from mike@w3.org on 2008-09-05)
  169. Re: ISSUE-54 (html5-doctype-vs-xslt): XSLT 1.0 can not generate HTML5 documents [HTML 5 spec] (from lhs@malform.no on 2008-09-04)
  170. Re: ISSUE-54 (html5-doctype-vs-xslt): XSLT 1.0 can not generate HTML5 documents [HTML 5 spec] (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2008-09-04)
  171. Re: ISSUE-54 (html5-doctype-vs-xslt): XSLT 1.0 can not generate HTML5 documents [HTML 5 spec] (from mike@w3.org on 2008-09-04)
  172. HTML WG telcon 2008-09-04 - @headers, html5&xslt, @profile (from mike@w3.org on 2008-09-04)
  173. Quirks mode vs. standards mode (was: Re: ISSUE-54 (html5-doctype-vs-xslt): ...) (from simonp@opera.com on 2008-09-03)
  174. RE: ISSUE-54 (html5-doctype-vs-xslt): XSLT 1.0 can not generate HTML5 documents [HTML 5 spec] (from j_james@mindspring.com on 2008-09-03)
  175. Re: ISSUE-54 (html5-doctype-vs-xslt): XSLT 1.0 can not generate HTML5 documents [HTML 5 spec] (from bzbarsky@MIT.EDU on 2008-09-03)
  176. Re: ISSUE-54 (html5-doctype-vs-xslt): XSLT 1.0 can not generate HTML5 documents [HTML 5 spec] (from bzbarsky@MIT.EDU on 2008-09-03)
  177. Re: ISSUE-54 (html5-doctype-vs-xslt): XSLT 1.0 can not generate HTML5 documents [HTML 5 spec] (from lachlan.hunt@lachy.id.au on 2008-09-03)
  178. Re: ISSUE-54 (html5-doctype-vs-xslt): XSLT 1.0 can not generate HTML5 documents [HTML 5 spec] (from simonp@opera.com on 2008-09-03)
  179. Re: ISSUE-54 (html5-doctype-vs-xslt): XSLT 1.0 can not generate HTML5 documents [HTML 5 spec] (from bzbarsky@MIT.EDU on 2008-09-03)
  180. Re: ISSUE-54 (html5-doctype-vs-xslt): XSLT 1.0 can not generate HTML5 documents [HTML 5 spec] (from karl@w3.org on 2008-09-03)
  181. Re: ISSUE-54 (html5-doctype-vs-xslt): XSLT 1.0 can not generate HTML5 documents [HTML 5 spec] (from ian@hixie.ch on 2008-09-03)
  182. Re: ISSUE-54 (html5-doctype-vs-xslt): XSLT 1.0 can not generate HTML5 documents [HTML 5 spec] (from karl@w3.org on 2008-09-03)
  183. Re: ISSUE-54 (html5-doctype-vs-xslt): XSLT 1.0 can not generate HTML5 documents [HTML 5 spec] (from dean@dean.org.nz on 2008-09-03)
  184. Re: ISSUE-54 (html5-doctype-vs-xslt): XSLT 1.0 can not generate HTML5 documents [HTML 5 spec] (from bzbarsky@MIT.EDU on 2008-09-02)
  185. the 'special' doctype (ISSUE-54), was: several messages (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2008-09-02)
  186. Re: ISSUE-54 (html5-doctype-vs-xslt): XSLT 1.0 can not generate HTML5 documents [HTML 5 spec] (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2008-09-02)
  187. Re: ISSUE-54 (html5-doctype-vs-xslt): XSLT 1.0 can not generate HTML5 documents [HTML 5 spec] (from ian@hixie.ch on 2008-09-02)
  188. Re: ISSUE-54 (html5-doctype-vs-xslt): XSLT 1.0 can not generate HTML5 documents [HTML 5 spec] (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2008-09-02)
  189. Re: ISSUE-54 (html5-doctype-vs-xslt): XSLT 1.0 can not generate HTML5 documents [HTML 5 spec] (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2008-09-02)
  190. Re: ISSUE-54 (html5-doctype-vs-xslt): XSLT 1.0 can not generate HTML5 documents [HTML 5 spec] (from julian.reschke@gmx.de on 2008-08-30)
  191. Re: ISSUE-54 (html5-doctype-vs-xslt): XSLT 1.0 can not generate HTML5 documents [HTML 5 spec] (from Smylers@stripey.com on 2008-08-29)
  192. Re: ISSUE-54 (html5-doctype-vs-xslt): XSLT 1.0 can not generate HTML5 documents [HTML 5 spec] (from hsivonen@iki.fi on 2008-08-29)
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  194. Re: ISSUE-54 (html5-doctype-vs-xslt): XSLT 1.0 can not generate HTML5 documents [HTML 5 spec] (from jirka@kosek.cz on 2008-08-29)
  195. Re: ISSUE-54 (html5-doctype-vs-xslt): XSLT 1.0 can not generate HTML5 documents [HTML 5 spec] (from mike@w3.org on 2008-08-29)
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Related notes:

Quirks mode testing data for various doctype strings:
http://philip.html5.org/data/doctypes.html

Shawn Medero, 4 Sep 2008, 16:26:40

There was concern on the 2008-08-04 telecon that a potential doctype string would have quirks mode issues: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/html-wg/20080904#l-287

Using Philip's test (http://philip.html5.org/data/doctypes.html) this string:

<!doctype html public "">

limited-quirks: IE 6, IE 7
non-quirks: FireFox 3, Safari 4, and IE 8 Beta 2

Shawn Medero, 4 Sep 2008, 16:39:44

One more test:

non-quirks: Opera 9.52

Shawn Medero, 4 Sep 2008, 16:45:20

Testing with the http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/

<!doctype html>, I see the following results:

rendering mode:
CSS1Compat: IE 6, IE 8 beta 2, Firefox 3, Safari 4 developer preview, Opera 9.52

<!doctype html public="">, I see the following results:

rendering mode:
CSS1Compat: IE 6, IE 8 beta 2, Opera 9.52
BackCompat: Firefox 3, Safari 4 developer preview

* Notes: Regarding IE 8 beta 2, I did the test with "compatibility mode" on & off - same results.

Shawn Medero, 4 Sep 2008, 17:35:41

Julian Reschke has found info on a similar problem with ASP.NET -- need a pointer still.

Shawn Medero, 23 Oct 2008, 08:24:06

http://www.contentwithstyle.co.uk/content/xslt-and-html-5-problems

"Problem is: XSLT 1.0 doesn't support the HTML 5 to generate a doctype, and the output encoding meta tag that it selfishly applies is not valid in HTML 5 either. Any ideas anyone?"

Original plus comments shed light on what authors are doing.

Shawn Medero, 12 Dec 2008, 21:12:13

Julian opened this bug: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6336

Shawn Medero, 8 Jan 2009, 17:37:01

It is been suggested that this issue effects the .NET toolkit... but we need more info as to what the problem is. Julian originally bought this to our attention... probably best to ping him again.

Shawn Medero, 8 Jan 2009, 17:40:50

updating to pending review, since we seem to have consensus around the 30 Jan proposal

Dan Connolly, 19 Feb 2009, 04:50:12

The consensus is likely conditional on the registration being performed. Next action is to get registration; if that doesn't happen we will re-evaluate design.

Chris Wilson, 26 Feb 2009, 17:26:28

Changelog:

Created issue 'XSLT 1.0 can not generate HTML5 documents' nickname html5-doctype-vs-xslt owned by Julian Reschke on product HTML 5 spec, description 'Of XSLT's output modes (XML/HTML/TEXT), none can currently be used to produce the HTML5 doctype string, as defined in <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/html5/#the-doctype>.

Obviously it would be good if XSLT can be used to generate valid HTML5 documents.

Thus, either the current (required) doc type in HTML5 should be reconsidered, or XSLT should be updated to support an HTML5 output mode.

See also <http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5803>.' non-public

Julian Reschke, 26 Jun 2008, 08:33:17

title changed to 'difficulties generating HTML5 from XSLT'

Dan Connolly, 26 Jun 2008, 14:32:49

nickname changed to 'html5-from-xslt'

Dan Connolly, 26 Jun 2008, 14:32:49

Status changed to 'open'

Michael[tm] Smith, 30 Jun 2008, 04:38:19

title changed to 'tools that can't generate <!DOCTYPE html>'

Shawn Medero, 23 Oct 2008, 08:22:38

nickname changed to 'doctype-legacy-compat'

Shawn Medero, 23 Oct 2008, 08:22:38

Status changed to 'raised'

Dan Connolly, 22 Jan 2009, 17:35:42

Status changed to 'open'

Dan Connolly, 27 Jan 2009, 18:41:08

Description changed to 'Of XSLT's output modes (XML/HTML/TEXT), none can currently be used to produce the HTML5 doctype string, as defined in <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/html5/#the-doctype>.

Obviously it would be good if XSLT can be used to generate valid HTML5 documents.

Thus, either the current (required) doc type in HTML5 should be reconsidered, or XSLT should be updated to support an HTML5 output mode.

See also <http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5803>.

We seem to have consensus:

ISSUE-54: <!DOCTYPE HTML SYSTEM "about:legacy-compat">
30 Jan 2009 08:26:23 +0000
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Jan/0640.html'

Dan Connolly, 19 Feb 2009, 04:50:12

Status changed to 'pending review'

Dan Connolly, 19 Feb 2009, 04:50:12

Description changed to 'Of XSLT's output modes (XML/HTML/TEXT), none can currently be used to produce the HTML5 doctype string, as defined in <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/html5/#the-doctype>.

Obviously it would be good if XSLT can be used to generate valid HTML5 documents.

Thus, either the current (required) doc type in HTML5 should be reconsidered, or XSLT should be updated to support an HTML5 output mode.

See also <http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5803>.

We seem to have consensus:

ISSUE-54: <!DOCTYPE HTML SYSTEM "about:legacy-compat">
30 Jan 2009 08:26:23 +0000

Ian Hickson notes that he updated the spec on Jan 30th, 2009 to use the "about:legacy-compat" approach:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Jan/0640.html'

Shawn Medero, 26 Feb 2009, 07:41:10

Status changed to 'open'

Chris Wilson, 26 Feb 2009, 17:23:10

Description changed to 'Of XSLT's output modes (XML/HTML/TEXT), none can currently be used to produce the HTML5 doctype string, as defined in <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/html5/#the-doctype>.

Obviously it would be good if XSLT can be used to generate valid HTML5 documents.

Thus, either the current (required) doc type in HTML5 should be reconsidered, or XSLT should be updated to support an HTML5 output mode.

See also <http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5803>.

We seem to have consensus:

ISSUE-54: <!DOCTYPE HTML SYSTEM "about:legacy-compat">
30 Jan 2009 08:26:23 +0000

Ian Hickson notes that he updated the spec on Jan 30th, 2009 to use the "about:legacy-compat" approach:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Jan/0640.html

HTML5-SPEC-SECTIONS [the-doctype]'

James Graham, 21 Aug 2009, 11:35:03

Status changed to 'pending review'

Sam Ruby, 27 Aug 2009, 19:06:50

Status changed to 'closed'

3 Sep 2009, 16:18:33


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