ISSUE-172: restore <rb> as an optional element

restore-rb

restore <rb> as an optional element

State:
POSTPONED
Product:
HTML 5 spec
Raised by:
Sam Ruby
Opened on:
2011-08-26
Description:
This issue was raised on behalf of Addison Phillips, based on the following bug: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10830

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In all the web sites that we looked at that currently use ruby markup
in the wild, over 90% of code uses the rb tag and most of the current browser
versions support the tag. The current HTML5 model for ruby simplifies the code
generally, but making the rb element obsolete will make most existing ruby code
non-conformant and make it more difficult to copy code that follows the Ruby
Annotation model, from XML or other formats, into HTML5. The editor has
repeatedly denied requests for this element to be restored, although both CJK
and I18N communities support its inclusion for backwards compatibility with
existing Web content, existing browser implementations, and for occasional
practicality in styling ruby base text. Although the HTML5 ruby model does not
require its use and although we do not believe it should be required, we would
like the <rb> element restored as an optional element within HTML5 ruby.

Please restore the <rb> tag as an optional element.
Related Actions Items:
No related actions
Related emails:
  1. {minutes} HTML WG telecon 2012-03-01: issue progress and heartbeat drafts (from eoconnor@apple.com on 2012-03-01)
  2. {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2012-03-01: issue progress and heartbeat drafts (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2012-02-29)
  3. Re: i18n WG position on Issue-172 'restore <rb> as an optional element' (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2012-02-28)
  4. [Minutes] (HTML WG telecon 2012-02-23: issue progress, heartbeat drafts, task force reports) (from glenn@skynav.com on 2012-02-23)
  5. [Minutes] (HTML WG telecon 2012-02-23: issue progress, heartbeat drafts, task force reports) (from glenn@skynav.com on 2012-02-23)
  6. FW: counter proposal for issue 185 (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2012-02-22)
  7. Re: HTML WG telecon 2012-02-16: issue progress, heartbeat drafts, task force reports (from ian@iandevlin.com on 2012-02-22)
  8. HTML WG telecon 2012-02-16: issue progress, heartbeat drafts, task force reports (from mjs@apple.com on 2012-02-21)
  9. [minutes] HTML WG telecon 2012-02-16: issue progress (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2012-02-16)
  10. HTML WG telecon 2012-02-16: issue progress (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2012-02-15)
  11. Re: i18n WG position on Issue-172 'restore <rb> as an optional element' (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2012-02-14)
  12. Re: i18n WG position on Issue-172 'restore <rb> as an optional element' (from xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no on 2012-02-09)
  13. i18n WG position on Issue-172 'restore <rb> as an optional element' (from ishida@w3.org on 2012-02-09)
  14. RE: {minutes} HTML WG telecon 2012-02-09: issue progress, task force reports, revert request, new information deadline, F2F (from adrianba@microsoft.com on 2012-02-09)
  15. HTML WG telecon 2012-02-09: issue progress, task force reports, revert request, new information deadline, F2F (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2012-02-07)
  16. {minutes} HTML WG telecon 2012-01-26: issue progress (from glenn@skynav.com on 2012-02-02)
  17. RE: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2012-01-26: issue progress (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2012-02-02)
  18. Revert Request [was RE: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2012-01-26: issue progress] (from john@foliot.ca on 2012-02-01)
  19. {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2012-01-26: issue progress (from mjs@apple.com on 2012-02-01)
  20. RE: ISSUE-172: restore-rb- Chairs Solicit Proposals (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2012-01-13)
  21. HTML WG minutes (Re: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2012-01-12: issue progress, other business) (from mjs@apple.com on 2012-01-12)
  22. {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2012-01-12: issue progress, other business (from mjs@apple.com on 2012-01-12)
  23. Re: ISSUE-172: restore-rb - Chairs Solicit Alternate Proposals or Counter-Proposals (from xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no on 2012-01-12)
  24. Re: ISSUE-172: restore-rb - Chairs Solicit Alternate Proposals or Counter-Proposals (from mjs@apple.com on 2012-01-11)
  25. ISSUE-172: restore-rb - Chairs Solicit Alternate Proposals or Counter-Proposals (from mjs@apple.com on 2012-01-11)
  26. Re: ISSUE-172: restore-rb- Chairs Solicit Proposals (from xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no on 2012-01-10)
  27. {minutes} HTML WG telecon 2011-12-01: actions and issues (from eoconnor@apple.com on 2011-12-01)
  28. Re: ISSUE-172: restore-rb- Chairs Solicit Proposals (from ian@hixie.ch on 2011-11-29)
  29. {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2011-12-01: actions and issues (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2011-11-29)
  30. ISSUE-172: restore-rb- Chairs Solicit Proposals (from Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com on 2011-11-29)
  31. {minutes} HTML WG telcon 2011-09-22 (from mike@w3.org on 2011-09-23)
  32. Re: Premature escalation for ISSUE-172 (bug 10830) (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2011-09-20)
  33. Re: Premature escalation for ISSUE-172 (bug 10830) (from mjs@apple.com on 2011-09-08)
  34. Premature escalation for ISSUE-172 (bug 10830) (from ian@hixie.ch on 2011-09-08)
  35. Re: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2010-09-08: New calls for proposals, task force reports (from eoconnor@apple.com on 2011-09-08)
  36. {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2010-09-08: New calls for proposals, task force reports (from mjs@apple.com on 2011-09-07)
  37. ISSUE-172 restore-rb: Chairs Solicit Proposals (from mjs@apple.com on 2011-09-07)
  38. HTML WG telecon 2011-09-01: Issue progress, Task Force reports (from rubys@intertwingly.net on 2011-08-31)
  39. HTML-ISSUE-172 (restore-rb): restore <rb> as an optional element [HTML 5 spec] (from sysbot+tracker@w3.org on 2011-08-26)

Related notes:

Underlying bug report was REOPENED by request: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Sep/0075.html

This issue is therefore closed without prejudice -- a similar or unrelated issue may be raised should the ultimate resolution of bug 10830 prove not to meet with consensus.

Sam Ruby, 20 Sep 2011, 14:39:37

[glenn]: restore-rb, extension closes Feb 21

23 Feb 2012, 17:05:06

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0464.html

Sam Ruby, 28 Feb 2012, 18:25:57

Changelog:

Created issue 'restore <rb> as an optional element' nickname restore-rb owned by Sam Ruby on product HTML 5 spec, description 'This issue was raised on behalf of Addison Phillips, based on the following bug: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=10830

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In all the web sites that we looked at that currently use ruby markup
in the wild, over 90% of code uses the rb tag and most of the current browser
versions support the tag. The current HTML5 model for ruby simplifies the code
generally, but making the rb element obsolete will make most existing ruby code
non-conformant and make it more difficult to copy code that follows the Ruby
Annotation model, from XML or other formats, into HTML5. The editor has
repeatedly denied requests for this element to be restored, although both CJK
and I18N communities support its inclusion for backwards compatibility with
existing Web content, existing browser implementations, and for occasional
practicality in styling ruby base text. Although the HTML5 ruby model does not
require its use and although we do not believe it should be required, we would
like the <rb> element restored as an optional element within HTML5 ruby.

Please restore the <rb> tag as an optional element.' non-public

Sam Ruby, 26 Aug 2011, 19:31:01

Status changed to 'closed'

Sam Ruby, 20 Sep 2011, 14:39:37

Status changed to 'open'

Sam Ruby, 28 Nov 2011, 14:37:29

Status changed to 'raised'

Sam Ruby, 28 Nov 2011, 15:18:22

Status changed to 'open'

Sam Ruby, 12 Jan 2012, 23:20:16

Status changed to 'postponed'

Sam Ruby, 28 Feb 2012, 18:25:57


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