ISSUE-80: Default rules for the quotes property

Default rules for the quotes property

State:
CLOSED
Product:
html
Raised by:
Richard Ishida
Opened on:
2011-07-22
Description:
Follow this issue at: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13398

10.2.6 Punctuation and decorations
http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/text-level-semantics.html#the-q-element

"Rules setting the 'quotes' property appropriately for the locales and
languages understood by the user are expected to be present."

How are the 'locales and languages understood by the user' determined? Is this
related to the Accept-Language settings of the browser?

Assuming that the intent here is to provide a single default only per browser
installation, rather than to provide defaults for text in various languages, we
believe that this is incorrect. A quotation in a page or passage in German
should by default use German quotation marks, ie. the default should depend on
the language of the text.

By the way, using 'rules' like

q:lang(en) quotes { '"' '"' "'" "'"; }
q:lang(no) { quotes: "«" "»" '"' '"' }
etc.

in the default stylesheet would provide defaults for the language of the text,
and not according to the user's locale and language preferences.

Obviously, a browser would not be able to provide accurate defaults for all
possible languages, but we feel that they should provide for a good fist of the
more commonly used ones. After that, perhaps they would then fall back to some
default, which could be decided by the browser but is likely to be that shown
above for the english case.

Also, it should be made clear that rendering of the quotation marks should
depend on the language of the text surrounding the q element, not the language
of the text inside the q element.
Related Actions Items:
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Related emails:
  1. [minutes] Internationalization telecon 2016-04-07 (from ishida@w3.org on 2016-04-12)
  2. [minutes] Internationalization WG telecon 2015-11-19 (from ishida@w3.org on 2015-11-19)
  3. I18N-ACTION-461: Re-read issue-80 and evaluate whether to reopen as a github issue or not (from sysbot+tracker@w3.org on 2015-09-03)
  4. [Bug 13398] i18n-ISSUE-80: Default rules for the quotes property (from bugzilla@jessica.w3.org on 2015-09-02)
  5. [Bug 13398] i18n-ISSUE-80: Default rules for the quotes property (from bugzilla@jessica.w3.org on 2015-09-02)
  6. Review of tracker issues for best practices (part II) (from addison@lab126.com on 2015-03-28)
  7. [Bug 13398] i18n-ISSUE-80: Default rules for the quotes property (from bugzilla@jessica.w3.org on 2014-05-07)
  8. [Bug 13398] i18n-ISSUE-80: Default rules for the quotes property (from bugzilla@jessica.w3.org on 2014-05-07)
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  11. [Bug 13398] i18n-ISSUE-80: Default rules for the quotes property (from bugzilla@jessica.w3.org on 2014-02-27)
  12. [Bug 13398] i18n-ISSUE-80: Default rules for the quotes property (from bugzilla@jessica.w3.org on 2014-02-27)
  13. [Bug 13398] i18n-ISSUE-80: Default rules for the quotes property (from bugzilla@jessica.w3.org on 2014-02-27)
  14. [Bug 13398] i18n-ISSUE-80: Default rules for the quotes property (from bugzilla@jessica.w3.org on 2014-02-27)
  15. [Bug 13398] i18n-ISSUE-80: Default rules for the quotes property (from bugzilla@jessica.w3.org on 2014-02-25)
  16. [Bug 13398] i18n-ISSUE-80: Default rules for the quotes property (from bugzilla@jessica.w3.org on 2014-02-25)
  17. [Bug 13398] i18n-ISSUE-80: Default rules for the quotes property (from bugzilla@jessica.w3.org on 2014-02-25)
  18. RE: [I18N-ACTION-150] Review of HTML open issues (from addison@lab126.com on 2014-02-22)
  19. Re: [I18N-ACTION-150] Review of HTML open issues (from ishida@w3.org on 2014-02-21)
  20. [Bug 13398] i18n-ISSUE-80: Default rules for the quotes property (from bugzilla@jessica.w3.org on 2014-02-21)
  21. [Bug 13398] i18n-ISSUE-80: Default rules for the quotes property (from bugzilla@jessica.w3.org on 2014-02-21)
  22. [Bug 13398] i18n-ISSUE-80: Default rules for the quotes property (from bugzilla@jessica.w3.org on 2014-02-21)
  23. [Bug 13398] i18n-ISSUE-80: Default rules for the quotes property (from bugzilla@jessica.w3.org on 2014-02-21)
  24. [I18N-ACTION-150] Review of HTML open issues (from addison@lab126.com on 2014-02-18)
  25. [Bug 13398] i18n-ISSUE-80: Default rules for the quotes property (from bugzilla@jessica.w3.org on 2011-11-02)
  26. [Bug 13398] i18n-ISSUE-80: Default rules for the quotes property (from bugzilla@jessica.w3.org on 2011-11-02)
  27. [Bug 13398] i18n-ISSUE-80: Default rules for the quotes property (from bugzilla@jessica.w3.org on 2011-11-01)
  28. [Bug 13398] i18n-ISSUE-80: Default rules for the quotes property (from bugzilla@jessica.w3.org on 2011-11-01)
  29. [Bug 13398] i18n-ISSUE-80: Default rules for the quotes property (from bugzilla@jessica.w3.org on 2011-11-01)
  30. [Bug 13398] i18n-ISSUE-80: Default rules for the quotes property (from bugzilla@jessica.w3.org on 2011-10-24)
  31. [Bug 13398] i18n-ISSUE-80: Default rules for the quotes property (from bugzilla@jessica.w3.org on 2011-10-03)
  32. [Bug 13398] i18n-ISSUE-80: Default rules for the quotes property (from bugzilla@jessica.w3.org on 2011-09-30)
  33. [Bug 13398] i18n-ISSUE-80: Default rules for the quotes property (from bugzilla@jessica.w3.org on 2011-09-30)
  34. [Bug 13398] i18n-ISSUE-80: Default rules for the quotes property (from bugzilla@jessica.w3.org on 2011-09-30)
  35. [Bug 13398] i18n-ISSUE-80: Default rules for the quotes property (from bugzilla@jessica.w3.org on 2011-09-30)
  36. [Bug 13398] i18n-ISSUE-80: Default rules for the quotes property (from bugzilla@jessica.w3.org on 2011-09-29)
  37. [Bug 13398] i18n-ISSUE-80: Default rules for the quotes property (from bugzilla@jessica.w3.org on 2011-09-29)
  38. [Bug 13398] i18n-ISSUE-80: Default rules for the quotes property (from bugzilla@jessica.w3.org on 2011-09-28)
  39. [Bug 13398] i18n-ISSUE-80: Default rules for the quotes property (from bugzilla@jessica.w3.org on 2011-09-28)
  40. [Bug 13398] i18n-ISSUE-80: Default rules for the quotes property (from bugzilla@jessica.w3.org on 2011-09-21)
  41. [Bug 13398] i18n-ISSUE-80: Default rules for the quotes property (from bugzilla@jessica.w3.org on 2011-09-21)
  42. [Bug 13398] i18n-ISSUE-80: Default rules for the quotes property (from bugzilla@jessica.w3.org on 2011-09-21)
  43. [Bug 13398] i18n-ISSUE-80: Default rules for the quotes property (from bugzilla@jessica.w3.org on 2011-09-01)
  44. [Bug 13398] i18n-ISSUE-80: Default rules for the quotes property (from bugzilla@jessica.w3.org on 2011-08-31)
  45. [Bug 13398] i18n-ISSUE-80: Default rules for the quotes property (from bugzilla@jessica.w3.org on 2011-08-16)
  46. [Bug 13398] i18n-ISSUE-80: Default rules for the quotes property (from bugzilla@jessica.w3.org on 2011-08-16)
  47. [Bug 13398] i18n-ISSUE-80: Default rules for the quotes property (from bugzilla@jessica.w3.org on 2011-08-11)
  48. [Bug 13398] i18n-ISSUE-80: Default rules for the quotes property (from bugzilla@jessica.w3.org on 2011-08-04)
  49. [Bug 13398] i18n-ISSUE-80: Default rules for the quotes property (from bugzilla@jessica.w3.org on 2011-07-27)
  50. [Bug 13398] New: i18n-ISSUE-80: Default rules for the quotes property (from bugzilla@jessica.w3.org on 2011-07-27)
  51. [minutes] Internationalization WG telecon 2011-07-27 (from ishida@w3.org on 2011-07-27)
  52. I18N-ISSUE-80: Default rules for the quotes property [HTML5-prep] (from sysbot+tracker@w3.org on 2011-07-22)

Related notes:

[aphillip]: accepted for HTML5 LC

27 Jul 2011, 16:01:59

[aphillip]: should apply rules based on the language of document

27 Jul 2011, 16:03:41

[aphillip]: quote shapes based on language of document except potentially using browser language or A-L as an ultimate fallback

27 Jul 2011, 16:06:15

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