ISSUE-162: update standalone profile documents

profile discrepancy

update standalone profile documents

State:
CLOSED
Product:
Raised by:
Glenn Adams
Opened on:
2012-03-02
Description:
From: Shaun McCance [mailto:shaunm@gnome.org]
Sent: 02 March 2012 13:48
To: public-tt@w3.org
Subject: Discrepancy in profiles?

Hi all,

I've been working on embedding TTML in Mallard documents to provide
subtitles for videos. See, for example, here:

http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-games/tree/gnotravex/help/C/usage.page

While working on profiles, I noticed these two specifications of the
dfxp-presentation profile are different:

http://www.w3.org/TR/ttaf1-dfxp/#profile-dfxp-presentation
http://www.w3.org/ns/ttml/profile/dfxp-presentation

The standalone file requires 15 features not required by the profile
in the recommendation. The standalone file also uses a base attribute,
which I think ought to be xml:base. There's similar problems for the
dfxp-transformation profile, though dfxp-full looks OK.
Related Actions Items:
Related emails:
  1. {minutes} TTWG Meeting 30/01/2014 (from nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk on 2014-01-30)
  2. {agenda} TTWG Meeting 30/01/2014 (from nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk on 2014-01-30)
  3. {minutes} 16/1/14 TTWG meeting (from nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk on 2014-01-16)
  4. {agenda} 16/1/14 TTWG meeting (from nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk on 2014-01-16)
  5. Re: ISSUE-162 (profile discrepancy): profile discrepancy [DFXP 1.0] (from glenn@skynav.com on 2014-01-10)
  6. {minutes} 9/1/14 TTWG Meeting (from nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk on 2014-01-09)
  7. TTWG Agenda for 9/1/14 (from nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk on 2014-01-08)
  8. Minutes for 12/12/13 (from nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk on 2013-12-12)
  9. ISSUE-162: update standalone profile documents (from nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk on 2013-12-12)
  10. ACTION-141 (from nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk on 2013-12-12)
  11. TTWG Agenda for 12/12/13 (from nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk on 2013-12-11)
  12. {minutes} TTML Meeting of 24/10/13 (from glenn@skynav.com on 2013-10-24)
  13. RE: TTML Agenda for 24/10/13 (from mdolan@newtbt.com on 2013-10-23)
  14. TTML Agenda for 24/10/13 (from nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk on 2013-10-23)
  15. TTWG Meeting Minutes Feb 7, 2013 (from momartin@microsoft.com on 2013-02-14)
  16. TTWG Meeting Minutes Feb 7, 2013 (from momartin@microsoft.com on 2013-02-07)
  17. TTML Agenda for 07/02/13 (from Sean.Hayes@microsoft.com on 2013-02-07)
  18. Minutes TTWG Aug 16, 2012 (from momartin@microsoft.com on 2012-08-17)
  19. RE: TTML Agenda for 15/8/12 (from momartin@microsoft.com on 2012-08-16)
  20. Fwd: TTML Agenda for 15/8/12 (from geoff_freed@wgbh.org on 2012-08-16)
  21. Re: TTML Agenda for 15/8/12 (from geoff_freed@wgbh.org on 2012-08-16)
  22. TTML Agenda for 15/8/12 (from Sean.Hayes@microsoft.com on 2012-08-16)
  23. {minutes} TTML Agenda for 14/6/12 (from glenn@skynav.com on 2012-06-14)
  24. {minutes} TTML Agenda for 22/3/12 (from glenn@skynav.com on 2012-03-22)
  25. Re: {minutes} TTML Agenda for 15/3/12 (from geoff_freed@wgbh.org on 2012-03-15)
  26. {minutes} TTML Agenda for 15/3/12 (from glenn@skynav.com on 2012-03-15)
  27. {status} [was Re: TTML Agenda for 8/3/12] (from glenn@skynav.com on 2012-03-08)
  28. Re: Discrepancy in profiles? (from tai@irt.de on 2012-03-04)
  29. RE: Discrepancy in profiles? (from mdolan@newtbt.com on 2012-03-02)
  30. ISSUE-162 (profile discrepancy): profile discrepancy [DFXP 1.0] (from sysbot+tracker@w3.org on 2012-03-02)

Related notes:

Resolved to log against TTML 1.1 in TTWG Feb 7, 2013.

Monica Martin, 7 Feb 2013, 15:35:19

This should be fixed when SE is published, not wait until TTML.next.

Glenn Adams, 12 May 2013, 21:27:48

no spec text change is required; after TTML10SE is published, the standalone profile docs, located under http://www.w3.org/ns/ttml/profile/, should be updated

Glenn Adams, 27 Jun 2013, 16:13:34

Raised by Sean Hayes

Philippe Le Hégaret, 24 Oct 2013, 15:19:26

Nigel: P2

Philippe Le Hégaret, 24 Oct 2013, 15:19:56

The diffs between TTML1SE and the standalone doc [1] are:

[1] http://www.w3.org/ns/ttml/profile/dfxp-presentation

Line 2: TTML1SE has "this file defines the "dfxp-presentation" profile of ttml" where standalone has "this file defines the "presentation" profile of ttaf1-dfxp"
TTML1SE uses "xml:base: where standalone has "base" in <features> and <extensions>

TTML1SE has the following features as optional where standalone has it as mandatory:
#color
#display-block
#display-inline
#extent
#fontSize-isomorphic
#fontStyle-italic
#fontWeight-bold
#length-cell
#length-pixel
#length-positive
#styling-inheritance-content
#styling-inline
#textAlign-absolute
#visibility-block
#visibility-inline

TTML1SE adds the following optional features that are not in the standalone doc:
#clockMode-gps
#clockMode-local
#clockMode-utc
#dropMode-dropNTSC
#dropMode-dropPAL
#dropMode-nonDrop
#dropMode
#extent-region
#extent-root
#fontSize-anamorphic [replaced fontSize-anisomorphic in standalone doc presumably]
#fontStyle-italic
#fontStyle-oblique
#length-integer
#lineBreak-uax14
#markerMode-continuous
#markerMode-discontinuous
#overflow-visible
#textOutline-blurred
#textOutline-unblurred

Standalone has the following optional features that are not defined in TTML1SE:
#dynamicFlow
#dynamicFlow-block
#dynamicFlow-character
#dynamicFlow-glyph
#dynamicFlow-in
#dynamicFlow-inline
#dynamicFlow-inter
#dynamicFlow-intra
#dynamicFlow-jump
#dynamicFlow-line
#dynamicFlow-out
#dynamicFlow-rollUp
#dynamicFlow-smooth
#dynamicFlow-teletext
#dynamicFlow-word
#fontSize-anisomorphic
#overflow-scroll
#rollUp
#smpteMode
#textOutline-blur</feature>

Nigel Megitt, 12 Dec 2013, 11:59:51

See also my analysis and conclusion at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2014Jan/0004.html.

Glenn Adams, 11 Jan 2014, 05:14:11

Changelog:

Created issue 'profile discrepancy' nickname profile discrepancy owned by Sean Hayes on product DFXP 1.0, description 'From: Shaun McCance [mailto:shaunm@gnome.org]
Sent: 02 March 2012 13:48
To: public-tt@w3.org
Subject: Discrepancy in profiles?

Hi all,

I've been working on embedding TTML in Mallard documents to provide
subtitles for videos. See, for example, here:

http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-games/tree/gnotravex/help/C/usage.page

While working on profiles, I noticed these two specifications of the
dfxp-presentation profile are different:

http://www.w3.org/TR/ttaf1-dfxp/#profile-dfxp-presentation
http://www.w3.org/ns/ttml/profile/dfxp-presentation

The standalone file requires 15 features not required by the profile
in the recommendation. The standalone file also uses a base attribute,
which I think ought to be xml:base. There's similar problems for the
dfxp-transformation profile, though dfxp-full looks OK.
' non-public

Sean Hayes, 2 Mar 2012, 17:28:43

Product changed to TTML.next

Monica Martin, 7 Feb 2013, 15:35:19

Product changed to TTML 1.0

Glenn Adams, 12 May 2013, 21:27:48

title changed to 'update standalone profile documents'

Glenn Adams, 27 Jun 2013, 16:13:34

Issue dissociated from any product

Glenn Adams, 27 Jun 2013, 16:13:34

Issue dissociated from any product

Philippe Le Hégaret, 24 Oct 2013, 15:19:26

Owner changed to 'Glenn Adams'

Philippe Le Hégaret, 24 Oct 2013, 15:19:56

Issue dissociated from any product

Philippe Le Hégaret, 24 Oct 2013, 15:19:56

Issue dissociated from any product

Nigel Megitt, 12 Dec 2013, 11:59:51

Issue dissociated from any product

Glenn Adams, 11 Jan 2014, 05:14:11

Issue dissociated from any product

Glenn Adams, 11 Jan 2014, 05:14:34

Issue dissociated from any product

Nigel Megitt, 16 Jan 2014, 15:14:52

Status changed to 'pending review'

Nigel Megitt, 16 Jan 2014, 15:14:52

Status changed to 'closed'

30 Jan 2014, 15:45:08


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