<Matthew_Atkinson> Hi all, joining ASAP...
<Joshue108_> scribenick: Joshue108
<Joshue108_> JS: We have our standard agenda today..
<Joshue108_> but an extra one around converstaion with Leonie, as she is chairing diff groups..
<Joshue108_> Wearing a HTML hat, Web Platforms and working with AB..
<Joshue108_> We have a spec we want to turn into normative spec.. Pronunciation.
<Joshue108_> We want to talk about path etc
<Joshue108_> That was for later on.. Marku H will be hear also.
<Joshue108_> Anything else?
<Joshue108_> Becky: The community groups doesn't sort by date numbers so need to figure out sorting by status..
<Joshue108_> Michael/Roy?
<Joshue108_> JS: Good to know that..
<Joshue108_> Any ideas Michael?
<Joshue108_> We have a WAI CG meet later. So of interest.
<Joshue108_> Becky: Just wanted to raise it..
<Joshue108_> JS: Thnx.
<Joshue108_> JS: We've got some very busy TFs..
<Joshue108_> A number of docs in train..
<Joshue108_> We should have some from Personalisation.. in addition to module one.
<Joshue108_> RQTF has two use cases docs coming.
<Joshue108_> Pronunciation.. will be talking later.
<Joshue108_> What has come up is that we are writing explainers..
<Joshue108_> Good to do!
<Joshue108_> Question is.. how do we handle explainers.
<Joshue108_> Do we need CFCs etc?
<Joshue108_> Is that level of formality excessive.
<Joshue108_> Interested in feedback..
<Joshue108_> Any reason not to make an explainer a note Michael?
<Joshue108_> MC: No, I would expect them to be note track.. and should be completed as such.
<Joshue108_> JS: thought is was to be completed when spec is final.
<Joshue108_> Yup, should be standard.
<Joshue108_> JF: +1 to Michael.
<Joshue108_> Feels like it should be a note - there is some rigour but not like our tech REC track stuff.
<Joshue108_> Other comments?
<Joshue108_> Becky: +1 also
<Joshue108_> JS: If Markku can join earlier?
<Joshue108_> We can take it up earlier..
<Joshue108_> JS: Michael, anything we want to consider?
<Joshue108_> Nope, not now.
<Joshue108_> MC: No new items
<Joshue108_> JS: Ok
<Joshue108_> Becky: We had two..
<Joshue108_> Digital Identity take to WAI in 2020..
<Joshue108_> JS: Adding procunciation to W3C spec..
<Joshue108_> some background..
<Joshue108_> We've had this group working on telling TTS User Agents how to pronounce things..
<Joshue108_> This is important.. hence by people like Markku and Irfan are working on it..
<Joshue108_> We thought if we could broaden this out beyond APA, so it is more globally applicable..
<Joshue108_> So we have Leonie here..
<Joshue108_> We have some parts of the stack, explainer on the way etc..
<Joshue108_> Thats where we are at, and want to do this as a part of the wider W3C context.
<Joshue108_> MH: I think you got it..
<Joshue108_> MH: We realised at TPAC last year, that the application of this to the wider world of audio and TTS makes this more than just an a11y thing.
<Joshue108_> JS: Politically, we may not be able to fully do, as we need WHAT WG to agree also.
<Joshue108_> Leonie, at some point when we think it is ready, we should take this to WICG.
<Joshue108_> You were advising this makes sense..
<Joshue108_> Any concerns etc?
<Joshue108_> LW: Thnx. How much is this spec going to be implemented in browsers?
<Joshue108_> Will these be browser features?
<Joshue108_> JS: May not be native, 3rd part UAs - but thinking mainstream not necessarily
<Joshue108_> It is SSML we are introducing..
<Joshue108_> LW: We will need to get browsers on board.
<Joshue108_> And be clear about technical aspects..
<Joshue108_> Suggest taking the explainer and use cases etc to WICG very soon.
<Joshue108_> JS: Its there for them to use if wanted..
<irfan> https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/blob/master/docs/explainer.md
<Joshue108_> MH: To date, as we've been talking about this.. I don't think there is heavy work on part of browser vendors.. explainer docs make that clear.
<Joshue108_> We discussed at TPAC.. explainer ready to go.
<Joshue108_> JS: We did have TAG members..
<Joshue108_> LW: Yes, it was useful but there were some questions.
<Joshue108_> I would take the explainer to them.
<Joshue108_> JS: You say take the explainer to show it, even if not a normative draft?
<Joshue108_> LW: Yes.
<Joshue108_> LW: One of the pain points, is based on past experience - in that if we co-ordinate and work together on a solution that would be better.
<Joshue108_> +1 to Leonie.
<Joshue108_> LW: My sense from TPAC is that those present thought the use cases were good.
<Joshue108_> JS: Share with TAG first and go to WICG.
<Joshue108_> LW: Both.
<Joshue108_> LW: but put it on WICG and let the TAG know..
<Joshue108_> JS: Recalling conversation from TPAC..
<Joshue108_> and here are things we discussed.
<Joshue108_> LW: If we get crickets in return thats fine..
<Joshue108_> But we will have brought the explainer, asked for input etc.. but they may or may not respond or implement etc.
<Joshue108_> JS: We could advance the normative parts there..
<Joshue108_> LW: Is that in APA charter?
<Joshue108_> JS: Some disagrement..
<Joshue108_> LW: <discussed how ideas get traction>
<Joshue108_> LW: Transfering work accross groups, seems convoluted.
<Joshue108_> Between incubators, spec dev and FPWD, then needs to go into group to get into REC track..
<Joshue108_> Best thing may be to post idea of explainer on WICG for discussion..
<Joshue108_> Engage with community and stakeholders, create some interest etc
<Joshue108_> Then after that, the where of the work is up for grabs.
<Joshue108_> Michael would know best.
<Joshue108_> JS: I'd like this to be mainstream if possible.
<Joshue108_> JS: Questions?
<Joshue108_> JF: I do..
<Joshue108_> JF: What happens if WHAT WG say they are not interested?
<Joshue108_> LW: Thats why we need to engage with browser people...
<Joshue108_> JF: <discussion on value proposition beyond a11y>
<Joshue108_> LW: We will need the browsers to do that..
<Joshue108_> That changes the tenor of conversation..
<Joshue108_> JF: We are trying to treat this like ARIA..
<Joshue108_> JF: The minimum from browsers would be like with ARIA..
<Joshue108_> MH: Yes, John has described this well.
<Joshue108_> Voice Assistence etc will want to be scraping content etc...
<Joshue108_> LW: I'm a little confused, @@
<Joshue108_> JS: We are hoping to find out..
<Joshue108_> JF: We are proposing a path,and want feedback on that..
<Joshue108_> JF: Mentions some vendors who may be intersted..
<Joshue108_> thought they are reluctant.
<Joshue108_> MK: We have tried to engage them in the past.. there are other reading tools that do scraping and they are happy to have this mark up available to them.
<Joshue108_> LW: Having browser vendors on board would be useful..
<Joshue108_> JF: But not critical..
<Joshue108_> LW: We don't know that..
<Joshue108_> LW: Depends on the stack..
<Joshue108_> Raises the need for WICG engagement..
<Joshue108_> MC: There must be non a11y use cases..
<Joshue108_> We should be armed with those to engage browser vendors..
<Joshue108_> LW: Google etc are looking at the web speech API for example.
<Joshue108_> They've done a lot of work, raised interest in speech as an input..
<Becka11y> scribe: becka11y
LW: HTML editor at WHAT - Philip
Jägenstedt
... he and others have been working on WEB speech api; suggests
browsers have interest in conversational / speech
interfaces
... possible way to tie into more mainstream use cases;
<JF> Philip Jägenstedt
Janina: although they perhaps place more focus on what is being spoken; seems we are hearing to bring the explainer to WICG sooner
LW: WICG is a wider review
... no harm in sending out specific requests for review from
groups but WICG is also good
... doesn’t have to be an “official” document; WICG discourse
CG is where new ideas get posted
... everyone here should broadcast the message to help get wide
range review
Janina: pull together explainer - and propose as FPWD with a wide review
LW: clarify - FPWD of explainer for note track
Mark: spec can go in two
different directions which is why we need a broader
conversation
... have been proposals about speech
Janina: would love to get this done before ATIA (FPWD out for wider review)
LW: may want to share with WICG before FPWD
Janina: thanks to LW for her attendance and input today
Janina: please review your action
items, will discuss next week
... done!
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