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<lisa> agenda
<lisa> scribe: kirkwood
<lisa> topics: updates
LS: next two Thursdays can’t be
on phone
... next two weeks cant be on phone. can have working sessions
on the phone
... carrying on work on list and on google docs. can have
working calls in between
... carry on with action items, keep moving forward considering
holidays
... know have taken up ones, do we want to schedule a working
call?
Andy: working on it
Jan: trying to get it done, open to having a working session
Andy: session did last week, Jan was very useful
Jan: I can do next Thursday
Andy: its very useful
LS: next week we will have a
working session. Please look at the example of what we have
done in WCAG techniques
... next week same time hour set asid whoever wnats to be on
webex
Jan: it was helpful to have Michael there as well
LS: Michael cant be there maybe Alistair
LS: if anyone wants more time
next week reach out
... the other WCAG related item. spoke to person. did anyone
else able to manage to reach out to other groups
Jan: reached out to advocacy person
LS: the lists or useful
<Jan> https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/
LS: if anything needs to be higher or is missing comment
<lisa> https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/#purpose-of-controls - check the lists in defintion - if they miss anything
LS: puropos control 1.3.4 check list definitions
<lisa> anything that is moissing or should be AA instid of AAA
LS: that is useful anything
missing or AA rather than AAA is the kind of feedback
needed
... based on comments from outside
... could get upgrade if enough want it
... Jan: can we go through all of them in and would be
... 1.3.4 purpose control
... going to get feedback its too long
... we’ve got a list called common controls
... not only get in but get review as well, we know that people
going to say its too long
... even if things don’t get in, it will help things to get
in
<lisa> 1.3.4 Purpose of Controls - also look at the link for the defintions - is anything missing
<lisa> 1.3.5 Contextual Information
<lisa> Success Criterion 2.2.6 Accessible Authentication
<lisa> Success Criterion 2.2.7 Interruptions (Minimum)
<lisa> Success Criterion 2.2.8 Timeouts
Jan: 1.3.4 and what is the next one
LS: these links are the five
<lisa> should AAA be AA
LS: most are AA
<lisa> what have we missed out
LS: should they be AA or single
A
... what have me missed out
... another thing is examples of people doing them
... if there are ptople implementing that goes a long way
... is there any way you could see them being implemented on a
site
Jan: i think so
Andy: authetification, interuptions and time outs
<Pietro> Present*
LS: as well as purpose contol, whatever we can get in
Andy: some times in real world
they are, andy found a timeout
... found one thought handled well
... came and notified me in a use case, when come across sampes
i will report them
LS: think we’ve come across a few
<Pietro> Hello!
LS: asking petro such as purpose
control
... want to find places in real world where implemented
<lisa> 1.3.4 Purpose of Controls - also look at the link for the defintions - is anything missing
<lisa> 1.3.5 Contextual Information
<lisa> Success Criterion 2.2.6 Accessible Authentication
<lisa> Success Criterion 2.2.7 Interruptions (Minimum)
<lisa> Success Criterion 2.2.8 Timeouts
LS: shows doable and in use
... we were asking people to look at SC in draft and comment
what is missing
<lisa> https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/
<lisa> https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/#purpose-of-controls - check the lists in defintion - if they miss anything
LS: if unhappy things aren’t there now is the time
<Pietro> I added some comments on issue paper
<Pietro> "Conversational interfaces and voice systems"
LS: comment on clasification AA versus AAA if you can think of anyone put them in touch
<Pietro> I have some comments for persona too
<lisa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WcfVALVq8PS9CLXUuAfV9Op0wXvI2yJYedj5jO23GTk/edit
LS: comments are helpful
Pietro
... we were talking about draft as per link
... if you want draft emal to send out I can write
... building your COGA friendly content and applications
... this is what interested now, as soon as we get it out
people can start using
... we have structure lets start adding content
... user needs Andy has that action
<Pietro> I need draft email to send out
<lisa> ok
LS: Petro did you want to add something too on the personas?
<Pietro> About persona, they write right things with wrong words
<lisa> ACTION: lisa to send petro a draft email for review of wcag 2.1 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-coga-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-239 - Send petro a draft email for review of wcag 2.1 [on Lisa Seeman-Kestenbaum - due 2017-10-05].
LS: will send Pietro a darft email
I would like it too, Lisa
<lisa> great
Jan: do we have anything, would
like to see an example of what you would need for a peronas,
what i have is kind of long
... will send it to Lisa
<Pietro> I can explain by email comments about persona rosenfeldmedia.com/a-web-for-everyone/meet-trevor/
LS: needs to be a group decision, send it to list
Jan: not a problem will do
... i will send it to the list nwo
nwo/now
<lisa> rosenfeldmedia.com/a-web-for-everyone/meet-trevor/
LS: link to persona
... link from Pietro is a good one of a high school student
with Autism
<Pietro> "He has problems with visual information" is not so correct
Ls: we may want to change it a
lovely resource
... we want to have a list of all types
... think this is very good
... does anyone want to own this piece of putting together
personas
JAN: don’t mind helping with that
I could help as well
<lisa> ACTION: Jan to ut together the persona section for the https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WcfVALVq8PS9CLXUuAfV9Op0wXvI2yJYedj5jO23GTk/edit# [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-coga-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-240 - Ut together the persona section for the https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wcfvalvq8ps9clxuuafv9op0wxvi2yjyedj5jo23gtk/edit# [on Jan McSorley - due 2017-10-05].
Jan: think coud start compile them into google docs
LS: we have in google doc have a
setion caclled persona
... we could put in separate document
<Pietro> http://rosenfeldmedia.com/a-web-for-everyone/personas-for-accessible-ux/
LS: could put peronase in
separate google document?
... put in sepate documents
<lisa> ACTION: Lisa to make "linked to " document fpor persona [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-coga-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-241 - Make "linked to " document fpor persona [on Lisa Seeman-Kestenbaum - due 2017-10-05].
Jan: thinks it would be betrter ins sepate docments
LS: personas and links personas will be all together
Jan: need to be clear about
copywright if not clear
... i have an example that might be good, typical one and they
are short
... we can work on it to expand them ot
ot/out
LS: we can carry this on on list
and google docs
... we have these eight themes for system requirments
... did ask for people to look at it
... will copy into an email and techniques that would go into a
theme
I can work with you on it
LS: also will send to list to see who can help
<lisa> ACTION: Johnk , and lisa add the coga SC to https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WcfVALVq8PS9CLXUuAfV9Op0wXvI2yJYedj5jO23GTk/edit# [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/09/28-coga-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-242 - , and lisa add the coga sc to https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wcfvalvq8ps9clxuuafv9op0wxvi2yjyedj5jo23gtk/edit# [on John Kirkwood - due 2017-10-05].
LS: this is an important part of
document that it would be helpful to have it
... after we have all SC here internationalization, author
burdon, and testability
... we can make this a first draft
... secction would be further development these are the main
sections
Jan: can we put on agend to meet
with EO chairs about the other document to revise
... put on agenda first or second meeting when you are back to
get feedback
LS: what day of the week do they meet
Jan: they meet 8:30 eastern on
friday mornings
... maybe we could have one of their chairs do join
Jan; they need feedback on how to fix it
LS: thats on the 19th
Jan: will make sure and send name of chair to attend
LS: please send link again to
list
... do we have section on user testing?
... that is important as well
... adding a section on user testing
... roadmap to accessiblity its important to have user
testing
... should include user testing as focus group and
feedback
... do we have volunteers?
... issue papers we should mention that we have ones be working
on try to find link in IRC
<lisa> scribe: lisa
John had found what we had so far
<kirkwood> AI agents bots
<kirkwood> LS: putting lin in the google doc
<Pietro> I get "You need permission"
<kirkwood> LS: need to make sure whatever is in here that they are merged
<AndyHeath> andyheathaxelrod@googlemail.com
<kirkwood> email John Kirkood to requst access
<kirkwood> Link sent to Andy
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