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Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference

12 Oct 2016

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Attendees

Present
ScottSimmons, MattPerry, Linda, ByronCinNZ, jtandy, AndreaPerego, ChrisLittle
Regrets
eparsons, josh, bill, phila
Chair
SV_MEETING_CHAIR
Scribe
Linda

Contents


<ScottSimmons> we will need to do the "present+" thing again

<scribe> scribe: Linda

minutes

<jtandy> https://www.w3.org/2016/09/07-sdwbp-minutes

<jtandy> PROPOSED: approve minutes on 7-Sep-2016

<AndreaPerego> +1

<jtandy> +1

<MattPerry> +1

<ScottSimmons> +1

+0 not there

<ByronCinNZ> +1

resolved

RESOLUTION: approve minutes on 7-Sep-2016

patent call

agenda

<AndreaPerego> Patent call: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call

jtandy: issues about current draft,
... next topics,
... time switch

time switch

jtandy: would going to a later time help?

ByronCinNZ: yes

<AndreaPerego> How much late?

jtandy: the proposal would be 1 hour later, so CET 5 to 6

<AndreaPerego> No problem for me

ScottSimmons: really good for me

MattPerry: for me too

<jtandy> PROPOSED: next & subsequent BP sub-group calls will be at 16:00utc

<AndreaPerego> +1

+1

<MattPerry> +1

<jtandy> ACTION: check with Australians ... [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/10/12-sdwbp-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Error finding 'check'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/users>.

ByronCinNZ: might be early for the australians

<jtandy> ACTION: jtandy to check new BP subgroup time with Australians ... [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/10/12-sdwbp-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-207 - Check new bp subgroup time with australians ... [on Jeremy Tandy - due 2016-10-19].

<ChrisLittle_> * Sorry about being late

jtandy: let's go for 1600UTC unless there's a real problem

issues arising from pending WD review

jtandy: has everybody read it, are there questions?

ScottSimmons: yes and no - have read it but not formulated questions yet.

jtandy: AndreaPerego, you sent an email, potentially some editorial suggestions?

AndreaPerego: yes, I have something to add, an explanatory note about URIs not resolving yet
... and some minor editorial changes, could we still fix some typos etc? I could do this friday if it's still in time.

jtandy: please do this in a pull request and send an email to the mailing list listing the changes.
... others as well: if you want to fix small things you can do it in this way.

ChrisLittle_: if I ask for reordering the UCR draft, does that have impact on the BP?
... now alphabetically ordered, but might be better grouped thematically.

jtandy: we reference requirements by name

ChrisLittle_: so we could renumber them without impacting the BP.

jtandy: and the crossref of BPs and requirements is automatically generated.

<Zakim> AndreaPerego, you wanted to mention the issue with Turtle syntax highlighting in the examples.

ChrisLittle_: so there's no reason not to ask this.

AndreaPerego: there is a problem with syntax highlighting turtle. This is a bit annoying.
... we could raise this issue with Phil, probably there is a solution.

jtandy: [looks for an example in the BP]

<jtandy> https://www.w3.org/TR/csv2rdf/#example-countries

<jtandy> EXAMPLE 4: http://example.org/countries-minimal.ttl

jtandy: this example from CSV on the web has syntax highlighted turtle. I can find out how we did that.

<AndreaPerego> :)

<scribe> ACTION: jtandy to find out how to syntax highlight turtle and send it to the group [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/10/12-sdwbp-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-208 - Find out how to syntax highlight turtle and send it to the group [on Jeremy Tandy - due 2016-10-19].

jtandy: so you're all happy with the pending WD

work for next WD

jtandy: any thoughts for further work after the pending WD?

AndreaPerego: I have some ideas from the inspire workshop, Clemens can give some details on that.
... Clemens and Ed could highlight ideas.
... for example, focussing (too much?) on the publishers instead of the users.
... but who are the users, web developers, or spatial experts?

jtandy: in our Audience section we say we need to address both, but there's limited time to do this.
... [reads from doc]
... it's tricky because we have limited time. If we manage to help the publishers, it shouldn't be hard for users to use the data anymore.

AndreaPerego: I agree. but it should be clearer what our focus is.
... we could get ideas from the workshop on where it is not clear enough.

jtandy: the minutes from the workshop are terse, but it gives an idea of what the participants considered important. e.g. persistent identifiers.
... but we need to wait for Clemens and Ed's report.

AndreaPerego: next meeting they should be talking about it.

ByronCinNZ: on the audience: was explicitly discussed in a previous meeting. In a may or june meeting I think.
... we should look at why we wanted to restrict the focus.
... Am working on crowdsourcing with students from university of Canberry.
... if we want to flesh the crowdsourcing BP out in the next WD we could do it with them.

jtandy: we were wondering if the crowdsource BP was inherently spatial and if we should be including it or not.
... josh was talking earlier about a OGC IE about humans crowdsourcing.

ByronCinNZ: the trust element is important, and there are a few spatial aspects.
... and the community aspect.

jtandy: are the students looking for answers or able to supply some thoughts?

ByronCinNZ: yes, not on all aspects, but on the trust side they are.

jtandy: sounds like worth sharing with the broader group. Could you talk about this in a plenary group meeting?

ByronCinNZ: probably, not the next one but the one after that, in 3 weeks time.

<ScottSimmons> we lost you, Jeremy

broken up

ByronCinNZ: yes

jtandy: so we have the inspire workshop stuff and the crowdsourcing stuff.
... Linda and I talked about having a 4 week or 6 week work cycle.
... do people think that's workable?

<AndreaPerego> +1

ChrisLittle: good tactic

ScottSimmons: agree

<ScottSimmons> +1

+1

<ByronCinNZ> +1

<MattPerry> +1

jtandy: we should use slack

<AndreaPerego> +1 :)

jtandy: the inspire workshop stuff could go in the first release
... the crowdsource stuff in the second release
... at tpac we had discussion on a few of the best practices.

<jtandy> https://www.w3.org/2016/09/19-sdw-minutes.html

jtandy: we discussed BP7, globally unique id's and indirect id's.
... and about making your data indexable
... those could be part of the first release along the inspire stuff.

<jtandy> section ยง10: http://w3c.github.io/sdw/bp/#how-to-use

jtandy: and there's section 10, how to use these best practices?
... I'd like to make some progress on that as well.

<Zakim> AndreaPerego, you wanted to say that it may be worth having more examples in the BPs

AndreaPerego: we should have more examples, and a running example. Don't know if it's feasible.
... I can provide other examples on metadata, but we need contributions from others as well.

jtandy: we don't need complete examples but we need more in the next release, yes.
... a call for examples is a good idea.

ByronCinNZ: another thing discussed at TPAC is that it's about spatial, not just geospatial, and we haven't reached out yet to other spatial communities.
... an approach to this could be to relabel it a geospatial thing.
... 'spatial data on the web - geospatial'
... and we could add other types of spatial later.

Linda: I agree, we need to consider how to deal with this. There's non-geospatial use cases, but no-one from those use cases actively helping us.

jtandy: a way to deal with this is to reach out and ask for help, and make clear that if no-one does, it will not end up in the BP.
... we can ask the chairs to do this outreach.

+1

<ByronCinNZ> +1

<AndreaPerego> +1

<MattPerry> +1

<scribe> ACTION: ByronCinNZ to ask Ed and Kerry as chairs to reach out to spatial, but not geospatial people to help us with the BP. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/10/12-sdwbp-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Error finding 'ByronCinNZ'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/users>.

<scribe> ACTION: Byron Cochrane to ask Ed and Kerry as chairs to reach out to spatial, but not geospatial people to help us with the BP. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/10/12-sdwbp-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-209 - Cochrane to ask ed and kerry as chairs to reach out to spatial, but not geospatial people to help us with the bp. [on Byron Cochrane - due 2016-10-19].

jtandy: will communicate to the group about this plan.

<AndreaPerego> Thanks and bye

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Byron Cochrane to ask Ed and Kerry as chairs to reach out to spatial, but not geospatial people to help us with the BP. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/10/12-sdwbp-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: ByronCinNZ to ask Ed and Kerry as chairs to reach out to spatial, but not geospatial people to help us with the BP. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/10/12-sdwbp-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: check with Australians ... [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/10/12-sdwbp-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: jtandy to check new BP subgroup time with Australians ... [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/10/12-sdwbp-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: jtandy to find out how to syntax highlight turtle and send it to the group [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/10/12-sdwbp-minutes.html#action03]
 

Summary of Resolutions

  1. approve minutes on 7-Sep-2016
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